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Canker questions

13 years ago

I don't know anything about canker, and it's high time I began learning. Tell me what you know. Thanks for your help.
What I see on my roses are three types of stem deformation that cause severe weakening or death of the cane. One, fairly common, is a uniform swelling of the cane, above ground level, so that the cane diameter is roughly doubled; the length of the swelling may be a couple of inches. There's no noticeable change to the appearance of the bark of the cane, and the swelling is even. A few years ago this canker, or whatever it is, killed about 80% of thriving mature plants of 'Bon Silene' and 'Safrano', and did the same for my previously rather magnificent 'Marechal Niel'. It's only this year that these three roses have begun to recover significantly. I believe I recall that the damage occurred during a particularly wet winter.
The second canker, or whatever it is, is a girdling growth that looks like a small cauliflower and is found at ground level, where the cane parts from the central mass of the plant. I've found two of these recently, one on 'Ghislaine de Feligonde' and one on 'Cornelia'. I broke both compromised canes off and put them in the trash, but took no further action. Both these roses are Multiflora hybrids, while the other canker I've noticed on warm climate roses (but I haven't gotten around to taking a good look yet at the once bloomers!). This fall has also been unusually rainy, and mild.
The third kind of damaged canes are caused by the cane girdler Coraebus rubi. This pest has been present in the garden for a few years now. The larva travels under the bark of a cane making a spiral and generally creating a swollen area. Roses differ in their ability to deal with the damage. Teas generally keep the damaged canes going for a while, and I don't cut off them off until new canes have grown to replace them. In the case of my 'Canary Bird' (which may actually be R. hugonis) the canes break immediately; also 'Therese Bugnet', the only Rugosa in my garden, suffers badly from cane girdler, and I believe my two or three Spinosissimas lose their canes immediately as well. Coraebus rubi is particularly irritating because it attacks year old canes, the best ones on the plant.
After spending much of the fall digging, I'm finally getting out and doing cleanup. Much of this consists of shearing low the annual grass that has sprouted since the fall rains began and pulling the grass that's growing immediately around the base of the rose. I have an idea that the moisture encourages canker: is this correct? The grass has a lot of virtues as groundcover and mulch, and I could never eliminate it even if I wanted to, though I'm continuing to plant more manageable--I hope--groundcovers.
Your feedback is appreciated!
Melissa

Comments (7)

  • 13 years ago

    Hi Melissa: You are right that moisture on a wound cause canker. I posted "A delight blog on pruning Old Garden Rose", which the blogger advised using Elmer Glue to seal the pruning cut. Elmer is the liquid white glue that kids use.

    Someone asked a question about canker in the Roses Forum. This is what I answered: Die back often result from rose stem canker. U of Illinois Extension has a good article (see below). A few points: 1) use 70% alcohol to sterilize cutting shears 2) cut to 1/4" above a bud, but NOT longer 3) use lime-sulfur spray before putting in winter-protection 4) rose dieback is often caused by WETness, either from poor drainage, or the stuff that piled on top (wet leaves).

    I get cane dieback from POOR-Drainage indoor plants that sit on a saucer (indoor herbs like basil). I learn to use better drainage potting soil, rather than MiracleGro with too much peat moss and water retention. I get rose dieback from piling wet leaves for winter protection, or putting wet soil in a bucket (bottom cut off) to winter-protect. The roses that are green to tip are protected the dry-way, like piling up bark mulch to 12". David Austin Catalog recommends putting evergreen branches on top to winter-protect. Evergreen needles are very dry and good-insulation.

    On winter-protection, U of Illinois stated that roses dieback more from rose cane canker (wetness around the stem). Keeping the root moist, but the stems dry is the key to prevent rose dieback from cane canker.

    Here is a link that might be useful: University of Ilinois on cane canker

  • 13 years ago

    None of those problems sound like canker to me. The first sounds like an insect. I used to get them in R. palustris. The usual recommendation is to prune and dispose of the issue before the bug gets a chance to reproduce.

    The second is probably crown gall. Did both of the roses come from the same source? The bacterium is endemic in American soils, but most cases seem to come infected from the nursery when the plants were dug.

    Winter canker is a brown or black oval of damage on the cane, often with a red edge.

  • 13 years ago

    Yes -- I had the same reaction as Mad Gallica. Sounds like crown gall to me.

    And, yes, every plant I've ever had manifest Crown Gall came from one specific nursery.

    Jeri

  • 13 years ago

    European usage of the word may be different from US usage, where it refers to a fungal infection of the bark. I agree that the cauliflower thing sounds like crown gall, which can affect stems or roots as well as crowns. Cut well below the lesion. Sterilize the cut and the tools with a bactericide.

    We have a stem girdler like (c) but it is a beetle of a different genus (Agrilus). Your (a) could also be an insect.

  • 13 years ago

    Okay, crown gall sounds like it is the second kind of damage. My plants have both been in place for a number of years, with this problem showing up for the first time this fall. Both roses are home-propagated, one by me and one by a friend. I think the bacterium was just there and found a point of entrance. I will keep Michael's tips in mind. (Is there a common substance, bleach perhaps, that's a bactericide?) I used the wrong terms because I didn't know better.
    Canker doesn't appear to be the problem, to judge by the pictures in the UI article Strawberryhill linked--thank you for the link and for your information! I still don't know about the first set of symptoms. I'll keep insect damage in mind. I appreciate everybody's feedback!
    Melissa

  • 13 years ago

    Melissa -- CG can be spread on pruning shears -- which is why it's easy for the bacteria to spread in a close population -- for instance, a nursery where they are regularly taking cuttings.

    Some folks sterilize their pruners between plants, so inhibit the spread of something like this.

    There is something called "GALLTROL" which is a specific against the bacterium. I've heard people say it was effective, and others say it was ineffective.

    One thing for sure -- you can carry it from your infected plants to others in your garden on pruners, if you don't take precautions.

    If I were going to remove a plant that was galled, and it was in the ground, I really think I would remove all the soil I could, and treat the area with chlorine bleach -- and THEN let it sit for several months. But that's just me.

    Here is a link that might be useful: GALLTROL INFO

  • 13 years ago

    Jeri,
    Thanks for the tips. For some time now I've been conscious of the risks of spreading disease by way of my pruners, and I carry a bottle of strong bleach solution with my gear and use it on my pruners between plants and after cutting off some particularly ugly growth. In the two cases of crown gall (as it seems to be) that I found, I broke of the branch and carried it away. I checked 'Cornelia' yesterday and didn't see where the cane came from, so will await developments, and I still need to see what's going on with 'Ghislaine de Feligonde'. I notice she has some tired looking canes, but they could just be old. I hope I took cuttings from 'Ghislaine' because, while I'm not particularly fond of this cultivar, I have only the one plant of her. I think I would like her much better in a different position, in with the warm climate roses rather than among the European old roses in whose company she finds herself.