I totally agree that getting budwood from a superb old specimen makes all the difference!! I have the old (1947) 'Geranium Red' from a strong old specimen and it is as vigorous and healthy as any new release.

If you can't find what you are looking for, there is the UC Davis Foundation Plant Service that has heat-treated budwood available. They have FC and Tropicana.

Here is a link that might be useful: UC Davis Foundation Plant Service

Hoov's right, John.

If you want those roses virus-free, your best shot is to obtain VI plants.
Most roses in commerce were virused long before either of those roses was created, so it's probable that every plant sold was virused.

Vintage Gardens has Fragrant Cloud, VID, (presumably from Davis) on their current availability list.
They also have Tropicana, also VID, on the custom propagation list.
(If you can wait a while, Tropicana may cycle onto the available list.)

Both are own-root, but of course, they could be budded onto a VID rootstock that is good for your area.

You might check HelpMeFind for other sources.

Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful: Old HTs at Vintage