IMHO.. once the leaves are gone ..No More Mite Condo!!!!
I did have to rinse "every" plant for a few days but well worth it in the long run...They are not Pretty Plants but they are Bug Free...LOL
Kylie

use a product called ultra fine year round pesticidal oil, for dormant and growing season insect control. if you have any questions email me through gardenweb. thanks plantlover49.

Jim can your camera zoom in closer? mine did I was able to watch them move around! Id like to see a real close up that you have taken of some mites, if you have any after this cold snap!

keep up the water all night to save your plants!!

Heck I wont wait, signs of mites on most of the tips!

I filled the sink with 5 gal of water and put in the Malathion, dunked each one up to the soil line and then let some in the soil, and moved the plants into the separate room. Cleaned up the entire kitchen with bleach. (lol in a Mobile home)

I sprayed the raid. Only the ones in the garage seem to have it. No sign of it on the ones in the house thank goodness. I will be removing leaves tomorrow but its too cold out there to leave the doors open too long to work.

sure I think even deep Florida will get hit with the freeze... TC Top cat? you listening? keep our cuttings warm! :)

I just came in from slinging anti stress around. Spray bottle (then got fed up with that) and went for my hudson sprayer again.

Boy do those ladies look marvelous after they get a coating of AS. Everything in that room is DRIPPING with anti stress now. Even the door knobs. LOL. . .

Two days ago - my Candida looked fine as far as I could tell - today it has stippling. I couldn't understand what changed - and there it was staring me in the face.

That stupd m*****f******* pointsetta I was given on Christmas. She wanted to see the green room - and said "put the pointsetta in there" - it occurred to me to isolate it but we walked in there - plant and wine glasses in hand. . .

Stupid plant - turned the blast up hard when I sprayed it. (grin) Should have used WINDEX on it. (grin)

I did not zoom, I will tomorrow if we do not freeze. I went out and shot about 50 more pics of everything. I have been spraying h-oil for a month since I ran out of AS. I though cold would make them go away. Now different types take away their primary food and they move to another. So I just sprayed everything trees and all 1 1/2 acres.

There is no ifs in freeze. I need to go throw their covers on the small starts. We are at 36 with no wind.

Here is a link that might be useful: florida temps

for sure Jim, looks like a hard freeze, 36 at 9:30, for you good luck on tenders.

Weeeeeeeeell - weeeeeeeeeeellll - weeeeeeeeeeell - you little b*****ds.

I was checking for broad mites. I don't think I have them. My other pictures - most of the leaves were clean - but I am fighting some type of mite.

Look what I cought on camera:

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Say CHEESE while I coat you SPIDER Mites with Anti Stress! (grin)

Jerks - probably GLUED to the leaves now! (grin)

I'm sorry the pic is blurry - I couldn't hold the camera and the plant leaf still at the same time. I have about 30 blurry shots. (grin)

I gotta figure out how to set my camera to zoom that close. I have macro. Any helpful hints? If I see those critters in the view finder I will probably drop the camera though, lol. As much as I love plants I hate bugs.

I found the little buggers! Yuck, now I am scratching my head like it was lice, lol. I don't know if you can see them without downloading them and zooming in. I don't know how you did that but I tried. Here it is.

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F4F: Set it for macro - and then zoom under that.

Generic guessing? Watch for the 2x, 3x 4x and 5x. Now - after you do that. .you're going to need to get REAL close - like almost touching the leaf, ok?

You should see it come in to focus then.

The mites seemed to have broken out in one particular area in my "line" and it was BAD - and then when I came in and looked close at the pics - I saw them.

You may not see them in the pics you take right then - you'll see them when you unload the pics.

Make sense?

In my pic:

The little "globs" are the eggs - the two critters are mites. Grrrrrr. . .

And I'm itching on my scalp also. Feels like my entire hair is on the move. Man I hate that. . .

I'm gonna have to sign off and go take a hot shower soon. My face and neck are itching too and need a soothing hot shower to stop the itch.

LOL. . .gawd what we do to ourselves for PLANTS!

dweeb.. see those two spots on that mite in your photo - two-spotted spider mite, I'd bet :P

Kristy, set it to Mode Macro, then use the zoom feature, say 4X. then get as close as possible in good light until you get a green box or Focus that is the indicator on your camera!

I have only 4 x zoom in conjunction with macro. you may have better. i can see the critters moving!

SNJ - I thought that also.

Are you sure they're not just shadows? Look at the top one.

Two spotted . . .whatever. .scumbags. . .they're prevelant on pines, no?

I originally thought aHA! But then thought - ok - when one hears hooves, think horses, not zebras.

Really think those are the bizarre two spotted whatever whozit mites?

In either case - I'm not interested in over complicating things. And frankly - I'm not one to run around and set my hair on fire until I know what I'm looking at.

The WHOLE WORLD got coated with anti stress.

Brugs will always be assaulted by something. Learned that a while ago.

We'll see what happens in the next couple of days. I'll do some research on the other stuff and find out if there's something more effective I can use.

Nice close up Dweeb, we all have mites!! an easily overlooked problem solved ---- Whoopee!!!

Soak those suckers in a drench.

I tried but cannot find any mites. Then again mine are 10W-40s. I have been aggressive with the oil. There are some dead red mites I found on Oleander and in my bay tree. Also found some ugly bug on a passion vine. They are dead now. Barry I did some real close work but seems I need a better light source. Kyle finally had a new bloom open so he get to be shown. Maybe a magnifying glass on the end of the camera. I had 1st tried a jewelers glass. It increases view by 10 x.

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Work tomorrow after 2 1/2 weeks off. Time for some ZZzzs. Techno mites make me itch also. I hate them.

Yuke!! I went and found a few of those critters also. Not
freaking yet...gotta check the garage though. It's more
stress that anything else.

shocked and dismayed Used the heavy duty mite drench. Malathion. A wee bit over the suggested tsps. per gallon.

took camera images, using continuous shooting, so I could review and check for movement on the computer. Sure enough, some, at least are still alive. was like watching a movie as I wheel moused through the images, watching the survivors crawl around. Jim. do you know, does it take some time for these to be totally effected? Shouldn't they all be dead overnight?

malathion,raid uggh, I had forgotten about all that stuff.I went organic and I dont get them anymore well hardly I had one plant in a large pot I had neglected and it had them when I put it in the greenhouse.I used seaweed,neem oil and essential salts of fatty acids 1 spraying a week of each until the problem was gone(took about 3 weeks) the main thing I had to do was get the plant healthy some organic fertilizer and a little superthrive an now it pretty much fends for itself.except I use seaweed sprays every 2 to 3 wks as a preventative. I used to farm mites and support chemical companies in an effort to controll them. peters,miricle grow etc etc etc should be labled mite food.it makes the plant grow too fast and this weakens the plant tissue giving AWWW I dont really know why it works I just want to share in the fact organic methods have made my brug growing experience a pleasure again wont hurt to try and it cost a lot less in the long run.

Good points OCD.

I'm sitting here really, really crabby right now staring at that pic - I have to go outside and check them again.

I just dont' want to spend the whole day itching. (grin)

Gross. What a day.

thanks OCD, hopefully I have killed most, and can spray weekly. I will have to defoliate though, to be safe :( now that makes me crabby!!

First I get out the RAID for dire circumstances, on the worst plants, isolated.

I am at work. Dog tired was on freeze watch. Had to reconstruct a hard drive for a friend that got hit by lightning. Royal pain in the A_ _. Encrypted and locked. Gees what they never tell you.

Anyway Barry here is my previous take on it from above

"Thanks for the camera tip. Wow, I was think about a microscope attachment all I need to do is micro zoom hi res. Too cool, Pictures are worth a thousand words. You are the man. Since camera works good maybe some experimenting is in order. Try on one plant canola oil, another pepper extract, another mineral oil, Malathion on one I could send you some AS but I am awaiting my gallon. I am not sure malathion still works on them. Where ever they came from depends on what they used. They have 3 generation immunity."

Malathion must have been used on them before. The only sure is the new chemicals or a sticker-mechanical like AS or oil.Try some canola or mineral oil mixed with soap. Maybe 2 oz per gallon. That is my H. oil rate. Or do 1 oz and respray if needed. On a small area with monitoring this will work. Or spring for some Avid or AS Or Horticultural oil.

I believe I did not fully answer your question. Yes if the poison is going to kill them it will do it fast. When the are resistant to one and it is sprayed, I hate to tell you this but it accelerates their breeding and movement.

Time for lunch. Let me know. I was going to trial canola myself as I spray a lot of horticultural oil now. In fact I just bought a big bottle. Try any oil you have and use some detergent to help it mix. Start low dose and work up as needed. Or take a shower with them upside down. Me I would oil them if that is all I have.

mites are highly adaptable and can become totally tolerant of any chemical in a matter of a few short weeks I found back in my days of chemical treatments I was creating a sort of supermite. they became immune to ortho,pyrethrum,pentac,biferin (if that is the correct spelling) that is why avid and forbid are so expensive a lot of reasearch goes into changing the molecules of the spray to keep the mites from building an immunity.I was buying chemical fertilizer to feed them then pesticides to try and kill them. Is malathion even listed as a mitecide? I used to spray it an a lot of things but I didnt think it was good for mites.

Jim - I'm so sorry you got stuck with that rebuild. You're right too. What they DON'T tell you when you arrive to work on it. (grin)

Have a hort spray that has canola oil in it. Was very excited when I saw the display - but I have to look up the brand. I grabbed the one bottle someone had torn the instruction booklet off of! Duh. . .

I'm hoping the anti stress slowed them down. If it doesn't - I'll move the the hort spray with the canola oil in it. Keep stepping it up a notch.

OCD - you're right - it's actually frightening to read how adaptable these things are. And given they're so destructive - it makes your hair stand on end that you can actually accidentally create "super" mites.

Eww - ok - now I'm REALLY itching. . grrrrr

LOL dweeb, I just thought I'd let ya know, two- spotted mites means that they are doubly itchy!!! :P

Alcohol? hmmmm I have a bottle of Popov. I think I might get them drunk and try to persuade them to go elsewhere...

The spiders mites are easy to kill. AS work real good but is expensive. I am awaiting a gallon. Ordered on the 31 st. AS makes your plants pretty were oil makes them a little puny for a few days. Oil is pretty cheap and AS is not. You use 2:1 oil and 20:1 AS. For the winter where pretty is not needed with cold nights and 40-50 mph winds when a front comes through is just fine. In the summer there is no substitute for AS. We learn as we go.

When I saw my red mites in the tree I started itching. I am a true miteaphobe. Control the mites and you will have beautiful flushes. We all thought it was some special ingredient. Nope we just had mites and did not know it.

On a lighter note I went and found the house that had the brug I fell in love with and talked them out of a few cuttings. Yeahhhhhhhh. He told me they were Gabriel Trumpets. This was a 25+ year old brug. His wife had passed on and these were her plants. So it is a noid...... But what a noid it is.....

Old time neighborhood that now has a pit bull every few houses. I knew I could do it. It just took me a hour of driving around. Kind of a micro climate right by a creek.

Jim

Jim, they mailed your antistress today, lol. I was checking on my order and she said the computers had been down but she had just shipped some to ___ Texas to give an estimate on what my shipping would be. I said that must be going to Jim and she said uh, yes it is do you know him? I told her he is responsible for the flood of orders you have had from the plant forums. You should give him a free bottle, lol. She said she really appreciates the referals but didn't offer a free bottle. Sorry I tried.

Thanks F4F, the gallons are a lot cheaper than I was paying locally about $ 25.00 a quart with tax. No freeze last night. I guess it is my hill I live on. I have seen the frost line come 150 yards up the hill towards my house.

Ocdplants tell us more, I have done some reading on essential salts of fatty acids usage. It is quite amazing. I have been reading thousands of pages on mites and pesticides,polymers,oils etc. I am trying real hard to stay pesticide free.

Jim

Yes, the place in Houston I called only had the gallon size and I wanted to try it before I ordered that much. Still need to get a seed mat and some other things to so trying to stretch the budget, lol. I started to tell that lady on the phone that I didn't know you but I was reading over her shoulder and freak her out but I figured that wouldn't be a nice thing to do, lol. Glad the freeze missed you it was miserable cold again today. Supposed to warm up nicely for the weekend though.

LOL F4F

That would have been cute.

Wow - Jim, you found it! Well, you have GOT to take pictures when she blooms. If it's as beautiful as you say - we're all going to be in line for cuttings from your new NOID.

And how wonderful he keeps her plants going after she is gone. He must know how much she loved her plants.

Funny thing about it. He said it was Yellow with red. Now I have not had a stroke so we will have to wait and see. I asked if he had another and he said no. It is still a beautiful plant. Real fuzzy leaves. I asked him if he sprayed it and he said "no just watered it once a week been there for over 20 years." " smells good too" Maybe it is that I am getting older and forget things. It does have its good point I can watch the same show on TV over and over not knowing I have already seen it. LOL

Anyway I will just have to wait to see if I am crazy or not.
Now what was I saying??? Maybe there were aliens????

ROTF Jim.

Wow - ok deep red and yellow? (Or looked such a dark pink with yellow.)

Ok - my mountain magic that is supposed to deepen down to such a dark pink, it looks lava red - it doesn't have fuzzy leaves.

Does anyone know of a real fuzzy "pink"?

It almost sounds like osterizer blender of a sang and a Candida. That's what's whirling around in my head.

Are the leaves serrated? Comon Mr! DISH!

LOL - boy Jim - you may have stumbled on to a strain that just hasn't been registered/made yet.

And doesn't that happen all the time? Stuff is discovered growing somewhere that no one knew existed or thought was extinct? (i.e. the Metaseqouia - Dawn Redwood - which I have 3 of by the way. LOL)

Thats what I thought all this time dreaming of a fiction of my imagination. I had bought cuttings to try to imitate it off ebay and pollen from Germany. Then he tells me it is a Yellow.So where is the red? It is yellow and red. Oh crap, my sanity was slipping. How could I have been so fooled. Aliens, the sun in my eyes, a stroke, or maybe little small ones. I just could not keep it a secret. I guess after 25+ years he should know his plant.

As the saying goes " If you can laugh at yourself you will have plenty to laugh at." Now I may have to go back and ask a neighbor what color that plant is.... There is no way I could see dark pink and it be a yellow. I recognized it out of the corner of my eye as we passed it. I even recognized the house again. How could it be yellow???? Have to call it MB (mystery Brug) Beer for everyone if it is Yellow...

ROTF Jim.

My take? You're not slipping - he might be. Red from your peripheral - and you asked him if there was another plant around - something that might have caught your eye and he said no. Unless he forgot about some red climber that was growing in the tree from the base with the yellow flowers.

That's always a possibility. I do that with some morning glories - let them climb into a tree. I also do that with the clematis at the base of a tree. I let it climbe into the tree and bloom.

Are the leaves serrated?

Ok - hold it - found a Gabriel's Trumpet pic of a bloom - light pink in this pic at this web page. . .looking like deep into the flower could be light yellow.

http://flickr.com/photos/skullsnbats/129576530/in/set-72057594108651021/

Here's another pic of a gabriel's trumpet:

http://www.pbase.com/image/60055537

JIM?!?!? Is this your Gabriel's Trumpet?

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2790617930029210395nHyYup

Of course - the lady who took the pic doesn't know the name either. LOL.

Oh well - you have one very beautiful NOID Jim. Dark pink with yellow.

too bad we can't see the leaves in her picture.

Looking through the instructions on my Vegol Year round pesticidal oil. Actually, all it has is canola oil.

Ha! Spray the plants - then fry some chicken. There! Just kidding.

I'm prepared. Hoping the Anti Stress keeps making the dent I think it is. Don't wanna sling this hort oil around inside.

What does your Canola say to use at what rate? I bought a jug from the grocery store. I have about 75 oak trees I want to spray. I will take a picture of the little leaves. When it caught my eye I turned around and looked directly at it. I sat and thought I should really go knock on the door. I decided I would go back the next day. I never did until yesterday. It was a deep red almost purple looking. I saw no yellow it must have had a few hundred flowers on it. It has a base about 8" thick and is about 10' tall and about 10' wide. Kind of hard to miss one this size in a flush. It is also kind of hard to see red and it be yellow. So It must be aliens maybe....... It is just very strange....

Nooooo - my guess is - he's not remembering correctly.

Are the leaves serrated?

re: Vegol from Lilly Miller: says 2% ratio - 4 teaspoons of concentrate with 1 quart of water or 2 fluid oz with 3 quarts of water. Apply 1 quart for 3 square yards.

Repeat treatment in 1-2 weeks if needed.

Shake while applying. No sulphur before or after for 30 days.

Don't use above 90 or below 32. Don't spray tree and vine until daytime teps have warmed to a point above 35F and crops are free from moisture due to melting frost or heavy dews. Use after Oct 1 may increase the tree's susceptibility to cold damage.

Says it's for dormant and growing season use. Kills eggs and stuff, too.

I don't think you're imagining it. But are the leaves serrated? That will tell ya if it's a yellow. . . .

This is funny.

Says Harmful if swallowed or absorbed through skin. Avoid contact with skin, eyes or clothing.

Sounds AWFUL, right?

Then it says under IF SWALLOWED:

Ingestion may irritate the digestive tract, seek medical attention if symptoms persist or if material is ingested in large quantities.

Sheesh - ok means must be a soap in it too. Standard "don't get it on your hands or clothes" but if ya swallow it - eh, it's gonna give you diahrea something awful - but if you ingest alot - go see a doctor. (grin)

My Safer Insect Killing Soap (with seaweed) has potassium salts with fatty acids (2%). The last bottle I bought had Canola oil. They must have reformulated it. After looking at the first bottle, I thought maybe I should just try spraying them with cooking oil spray. Might annoy the bugs or just season their salad. Also sounds like if they were outside in the sun, it would be a kind of tanning oil for them. lol

Linda

Wow Jim, what a great find! I am still waiting for the lady that told me her brug was purple to give me a cutting. It was a brug for sure. I said are you sure its purple and she well kind of lavender. I nearly fell off the lawnmower I was standing on top of to look in the window of her homemade greenhouse. She wouldn't let me inside. Maybe she thought I was Dweeb the bandit, lol.

Ok, here are pics of the cutting. Maybe you can shed some light on the subject. I never read the 1st part of the book. He does have a super nice texture to the leaves kind of velvety.

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Cool you got buds too! Did you check it for mites, lol.

Leaves aren't old enough to tell if they'll be serrated.

Those leaves look like the ones on my yellow right now - who has decided to put on wavy leaves - not serrated right now.

sure is nice though - and you have buds too! That's very nice Jim!