Beautiful Lisa...another plant that like this one .....N. 'Erl King'

Lisa, your Hal Ellis is very impressive while the one pictured on the FCBS site looks like it should find a new home in a rubbish bin.

It is amazing to think that they are the same plant. No wonder there is such confusion when identifying broms. One can easily understand why there are so many threads on this forum asking to identify plants and why even the experienced members are not always sure of the identities.

Of all the broms I have in my collection that have names, I am only certain that about 80-90% are correctly labeled. The others when I refer to them I preface the name with 'bought as'.

Yes, neonut, FCBS can be frustrating sometimes. Photographs are often misleading (whether intentionally manipulated or just bad shots), growing conditions can make a huge difference in the appearance, and plants do get mislabeled, all lending to the confusion. Still, it's hard to imagine how we got by without it!

Hal Ellis is an interesting plant. It's half marmorata, although you can't tell that by looking at it. That can make for some unexpected results when you cross with it. I haven't done much with it, but Sharon Petersen has used it in a number of crosses, not all of them registered. Here are a few:

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Hal Ellis' hybrids

Lisa, now you put your foot in it again - sort of half way! Looking at all those Hal Ellis crosses by Sharon, Golden Idol is just amazing!! But what exactly is the other half of it? Neo cruenta French Form?

I recently got a Hal Ellis X Barbarian. I cant wait to see it mature

HDD, I thought I seen the same cross recently somewhere, but I just looked everywhere and can't find it again. Must have been mistaken. Interresting what I found out just now, Hal Ellis is nowhere used as a pollen parent! Registered thus far I might add. Do you know whether it was the large, dark form or the smaller, lighter clone of Barbarian that was used (the one that Michael has). Both wayscould be a stunning plant!

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