Hey Alley!!!
WELCOME!!! Yep we have a handful of Tx folks here.. I'm out in Millsap not to far away... Congrats on your new Brugs..Did you go to the swap at the Botanical Gardens??
Your plant just looks like it could use some minerals.. I think it is just the winter Blahs and should recover just fine... This wind has been bad! Mine are beat to pieces...LOl just pluck those beat up leaves and they will return in no time... Here in Tx you do need to keep your Brugs out of the afternoon sun. becoz they will burn... As far as Blooms go that first pic looks like you have a "Y" or 2.. that is where your blooms will begin..The big leaf on the left hand side where the leaf meets the stem you can see where it is Asymmetrical .. if you peek around in there you might just find some baby buds just beginnig to show...Good Luck!
Kylie

Hi,
The yellow spots don't look like sunburn, maybe a deficiency or maybe a virus. Why don't you try giving it a dose of epsom salts. Mix a tbls to a gal of water and give it to the brug. Use the ES about 1x/mo. That looks like a mature plant and you'll probably get blooms pretty soon. I don't know what to tell you about the wind except try and find an area that's protected. They need some sun to bloom. If you can find a place where it's protected from the afternoon sun but gets morning sun that would be optimal.
Karyn

If you try what Karyn1 recommended and that doesn't make a difference. I want you to try 1 tablespoon of borax to a gallon of water and see if it helps. I would also set any away from other plants, just in case. There are many tricks to deal with wind, from sinking the pots in the ground to putting rods into the pots to anchor them. Do you have a name for this one?

When was this plant last fed? how much of what? is it waterlogged?

KHT what does borax do? I've never heard of using it before. Is it something that's just used for a deficiency or would you use it regularly?
Karyn

I have one that looks like that too since I took it outside. I thought it was from being in too much sun but haven't started fertilizing much yet either. I was going to start today but we had to go somewhere after work. I am going to give them some epsom salt and miracle grow tomorrow then they get the seaweed spray this weekend if the wind will ever quit. I would like to know about the borax as well and where do you find it?

I'm sorry I forgot to include a welcome. See I treat you like you have been here forever already, lol. Glad you joined us. I got intrigued with the borax thing, lol.

Thanks for the welcome all. You think I'm hooked now, wait until I get a bloom.

The pot doesn't fall over from the wind, just the leaves get whipped around. I've moved it out of the wind. It's a catch 22--if I put it in the morning sun, it gets wind, if I put it in a calm area, not much sun.
I watered it with epson salts yesterday. Since I've had it, I've fertilized it about once a week or so (about 2 or 3 times--not including yesterday's epson). I've been using Expert Gardener bloom burst water soluble plant food (it's 10-52-10--them saying the 52% "helps stimulate root and plant growth,and encourages bloom production").

I guess I should just wait and see if that works. How long before I know it isn't working and then use the borax (which, by the way, I've seen in the laundry aisle of the grocery store--top shelf at wally)? I've also moved it away from other plants as suggested incase it is something contagious.

Thanks for all your great advice. I really, really don't want to lose this one.

Karma is right, boron deficiency can look like that, cant hurt to use it. I would hold off on the major fertilizers for now; a build up can actually limit some of the other micronutrients, such as magnesium. A deficiency in magnesium can show as interveinal chlorosis of the young leaves, and a more mottled chlorosis in larger leaves. I would use a pinch of borax, and epsom salts which has the Magnesium.

If you get desparate, do not hesitate to repot the plant in really good potting soil; Don't be afraid to cut back the root ball or shake out the soil. if it then wilts cut back some of the branches, or at least leaves.

Good luck on this one. What is it?

Thanks oxmyx for covering my back side, I wouldn't combine the two. I would treat seperately with the borax first and then the epson salt a day later to allow the borax to work.

I will get some borax today thanks for telling me where to find it. Mine didn't look like that til I took them outside so I thought it was just an adjustment to going out and didn't worry too much about it.

USE THE RECIPE!!! It cant hurt and mine love it!

Question?? Can boric acid be used in this situation rather than borax? And at what rate per gallon. We have a couple of bottles of boric acid that we brought back after cleaning out my MIL's house last year.

jas4141, I haven't heard anything on that one, sorry.

If it was up to me, I'm not sure I'd use it.

Here is a link that might be useful: Boric Acid

Think I'll look for the borax for the plants. Might try the boric acid for the darn cutter ants that cause us a problem in the summer months. Thanks, Karma.

Hi Barry: Great advice. I've been wondering why so many of my Brugs, esp. Chas. Grimaldi, have lite or lite-spotted leaves. I've been doing very generous doses of feedings as well as epsom salt and they don't green up for me. I think you're right, I've overdosed them and they now may be deficient in Boron. So I will back off and try the Borax. Much thanks. Gloria

Gang, I'll say this again. Set these away from your collections and treat as there are so many problems with these and one never knows if this is a virus or a deficiency until one treats it with borax. I can't tell you of all that was distoryed due to a mineral deficiency that we thought was a virus. Better be on the safe side.
The Brug Bible states that you can't over fertilize but this is not true!

yes indeed ..... I was afraid to say that I also have a similar problem with a few brugs, but the leaves are also distorted and bumpy as well as spotty chlorotic, a possible sign of the Mosaic diseass, a virus that affects nightshade family (solanacae) plants. I definately have them isolated as well.

Did I miss something? What's the recipe?

I have 2 brugs, both cuttings from the same plant that I'm pretty sure have some type of mosaic virus. This is the second year that the foliage has come up discolored and mildly deformed. They are away from my other brugs and if it is a virus has never spread to other plants. The foliage looks like crap but the blooms are normal.
Karyn

hmmm Karyn, does this virus stunt the plant? is in normal sized leaves?

One of the affected plants has normal size leaves with very little distortion in the shape but they do have the mottled appearance. The other plant's leaves are stunted and they curl and are kind of bumpy also with the discoloration.
Karyn

Just read in the brug Bible about a mosaic virus that brugs will survive and do ok in summer, green spotty bumps, curled leaves .. I have this virus!! was yellow and turned to green bumpy leaves. ~~>ot plant from
Brenda...

Brenda, did your nice orange with green throte brug get mottled this winter?? thism she meantioned a virus on some of her's in a thread... hmmmm.

If you have that orange one with the green throat and are worried about it having a virus just pack it up and send it to to examine for you, lol. Of course I will need to keep it for further observation.

Ok, I got the borax and gave them all a drink (I did 1 tablespoon to 1 galon of water like I was told) By the way, reading the borax box--it seems like quite a useful product. I've given them epson salts (a few days ago) and borax yesterday. I guess now I sit and wait.

I only have 2 plants that have the mottled leaves and have them separated, but they are all getting the burned edges to the leaves (even the pretty big and seemingly healthy one I just bought at the trade days this weekend). It looks like someone took a lighter and ran it around the edges of the leaves (the second picture shows 3 leaves with that look). Would this be too much sun (and they're still trying to get used to it from being inside--I don't where they spent the winter) or could the fertilizer be burning the edges (ie I have given them too much)?

Kristy, you would do that for me? Infect your whole stock just to have it, ahhhhh shucks! I am so Grateful!
;)

F4F: After Brenda sends you her Orange-Green-Throated Brug for observation, you will, of course, send me several cuttings so I can confirm your findings, right? (LOLx2)Gloria

Of course I would do that for you Barry! I would keep her in isolation of course. I don't know what it is about that one but I am dying to get my hands on it. I just love it. If you throw it away I will have to come there and kill you, lol. Seriously if you are worried about it give it to me and I will grow it away from the others.

hmmm ..... Might just do that Krysty (got it right!), I might not have a place to isolate it, really....... It was doing so well and turned to this, bear in mind it was a great plant having grown for over 3 months, then the whole thing rotted and I had to cut a tiny remaining slip with two poor leaves and a bit of the "bark" ~~> amaizingly it rooted and grew into the following picture. anyone seen these symtoms before?


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My biggest one looked like that and when I took it outside and stripped the leaves the new ones grew back normal.
Kristy

To be certain it is a virus, I, by no means, am not.
Lol ( could have put that together gramatically, better. !#@! sheesh! did it again! :) ))

Am hoping it will grow out of it.

Do you have Preissel's book? referring to the mosaic disease:

Quote, page99
"If virally sick plants are provided with optimal amounts of water and nutrients, durring the summer vegetative period, they can remain without any signs of disease"

So...... putting it outside might do the trick, or open a can of worms! See the picture on that page; it looks allot like my plant.

Barry

My green-throated orange brug seedling does not have these symptoms (responding to your emails, dear!) Sorry you plant looks like this.

Now, I do have several others that looked terrible but not exactly like your leaves. They are pulling out of it. I find it quite interesting that the book you quote states that the diseased brug can assume normal appearance during the rapid growing months. So, do some of us have diseased plants and they get all better in appearance in the summer, and we think they are okey................. and they are not???!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yikes!

I did send two leaves from two different affected brugs to our state testing lab, and still am waiting for the results. I will post them when I get them! Barry, do you have any county extension office near you to drop off samples for testing? Nominal fees! And let them figure out what is wrong, don't suggest to them what you think may be wrong.

Brenda