I hate when they try to make plants illegal because a few idiots abuse them. Hopefully they don't do it. I don't understand how people can be so dumb to try to get high at the risk of killing themselves.
Shawn

I know it. They showed all these kids on you tube high as a kite and I felt like saying thanks for telling all the kids about it that didn't know and for making it look like such a cool trip for impressionable teens while you're at it. They didn't say much about how it can kill you or cause you to kill someone else.

I just planted seeds of that variety today. Maybe I can sell it to buy gas. lol (just kidding)
Karyn

Lol, you crack me up. Goodnight everyone. I hope my salvia are still in the yard come morning. All they said was you can get high off salvia, they didn't say what kind. Every granny growing salvia is gonna have to sit in the rocker with a shot gun, lol. Hey I might need to grow some too for gas money. Its legal after all, lol. Just kidding.

hahaha Kristy I was thinking the same thing when I just saw it on the morning news lol.
I have been trying to find the PLANT since they say growing it from seed is hard to do.

Karyn keep us updated how it grows please. Where did you get the seeds from?

All I found when I searched was the dried leaves and extracts lol. YES you sure could pay for gas because what they are asking for the leaves etc is outragous!

I am ready to call the TV station and ask them to please clarify. So all our other Salvia is being spared by youngsterst on the search for getting high with salvia plants lol

it is only salvia divinorum that has the psychoactive qualities. It comes from mexico. I doubt kids these days know garden salvia from an oak tree!

Kylie

LOL!!! Only you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kristy, that is weird, cause my son Gabriel mentioned it to me yesterday, when I was talking about some of my plants and the color of the stems relecting the lighter or darker blossoms of different varieties. I used salvia as an example and he perked right up and said "Salvia?? Isn't that a drug???". He listens to the news more than me!! (BTW, warning, warning- this is the plant from H*ll- well, certain ones, like Black & Blue, are- they are in the mint family and a coupla sprigs planted last summer spread to cover 5' x 12' in a side bed I have off the driveway- PLANT it in a pot, please!!!!! Extremely invasive, even in shade. Mine are in big deep pots now, and they are lovely .......and NOT spreading and taking over the world anymore- I also dug up and gave away 30 pots of the stuff and threw a bunch away, in plastic bags.)) Sorry for the rant!

Emergency this morning kept me from taking photos I was going to share of my home nursery- that's what it looks like around my yard!! I got up at 6 to my little Diggr dog having seizures- I immediately freaked out. He is at the vets now, getting blood work. He and I finally calmed down when they gave him some valium~ so, another day, for the photos!!!

Brenda

Thats what I am upset about. Any kid that has heard his mom talk about look at the hummingbirds on that salvia or go water my salvia and they think hey cool we can use this plant to get high, lol. I know its only the one kind but they don't. I know my daughter knows which one the salvia is and if the boys were here they would have been out there picking it and trying it. They are at the stupid age, lol. Then the other night they had on the news exactly how to play the pass out game and showed them how to do it, then told about a boy that wrapped a karate belt around his own neck and did it alone in his room and died so they think its ok to do it with someone else. They failed to tell them if can cause convulsions. I know from first hand 5th grade experience in the bathroom at school. It kills brain cells too. Maybe thats why I CRS, lol.

Holly carp!!! These people are serious!

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The only kind of salvia that will get one to an inebriated state is Salvia Divinorum, known as the Diviners' Sage. Since 'salvia' is a pretty all encompassing word, I do not think any other variety will be affected. Your hummingbird sages are fine. All sages and salvias are fine _except_ salvia divinorum. S. Divinorum is not the most attractive plant, and most gardeners would not be terribly inclined to grow it anyway. It looks like a mint, with massive leaves, thick square truck. It doesn't really flower, and viable seeds are not available.

These kids are only messing things up for themselves, and if for some reason, you are growing a salvia divinorum plant, keep it beneath your hat and you will experience no trauma.

reet59 Do you have one? I can not find a place that sells the plant here in the US :-(

Most likely if the news media didn't go running their mouths most kids wouldn't even know about it. Hope no one holds our salvias for ransom.

The kids all have known about it for 2 years +. It's the adults who are hearing about it. Try ebay they sell everything. The internet is the kids superhighway to everything . If they ban Salvia then they will go to something else. Like Passion flowers or the prickly Poppy which grows wild everywhere around here. Shhhhhh they will be smoking it next. LOL Kids........

It looks like I'm legal and won't be making any gas money after all. It's not S. divinorum that I planted. I started 6 new varieties the other day and could have sworn that was one of them but it wasn't. I love all but the regular annual red salvia. Some of my favorites are Jerusalem, spathaea and Buchannans. I think the perennial varieties are much more interesting.
Karyn

Brenda, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. We must have been typing at the same time and I didn't see your post. I hope he is feeling better. One of my older dogs has seizures and it is a terrible thing to watch and not be able to do anything. I have wanted to try the black and blue sage but haven't gotten around to it yet. I have the perrenial red and a new one that is pastel peach and yellow flowered. That is probably the truth that the parents are the last to know. I could probably call my boys and ask about it and they would know. I am glad they are letting parents be aware of a potential problem but wish they didn't show the video of the kids that were high and acting like they were having the time of their life. It just makes others want to try it. They say it is an ugly plant and you would only want to grow it for getting the halluciating effects. I would grow it if it was pretty like the brugs, lol.

I agree with all of yall, I'm 15 and I wouldn't have known about the salvia, morning glory seeds, or the choking game if it hadn't been for the news. They showed videos, doses, ect. But unlike most kids I'm not stupid enough to try to do drugs. Plus I'm a pastors son, so my dad would tan my hide if he found out I did somthing stupid like that. Drugs are stupid.
-David-

Good for you David. You seem to have more sense than my boys at that age then. I would tan their hides and they would do it anyway. Bless you for being a good boy. I had to educate my 12 year old on the choking game after she saw it on the news the other night too. I told her I did that in school once and had convulsions and she better not ever do it or she could die. Hopefully she will listen more than the boys did, lol. She has been good so far.

David, 15?? my 15yo just makes fun of everyone here on gardenweb. She says hey mom are you reading about the secret plant society again? What do yall talk about? Then she goes into this sqeaky little voice mimicing everyone saying oooh my brugmansia has a new leaf today how about you any new leaves today? She makes fun but she is the one with the secret garden outside of her window (it looks out at the fence) It is a very narrow space and the air conditioner unit is there also. I try to put purple things there for her. She does sneak out there every now and then and pulls weeds. Who did you learn your gardening skills from?

Mary

Thanks fool4flowers, and Ms. Mary, that's HALARIUS! I do feel like a nerd sometimes, as young as I am, and the only one in my family that shows any interest in gardening, sometimes i feel like an old man! Me and all the boys at school like to hunt n fish, but sense i'm the only one that deals with FLOWERS, they think i'm wierd. But who cares, it beats the boredom, and on days when you can't hunt or fish, I believe gardening is just as much a thrill. Besides it don't hurt to get a little dirt under your fingernails. And like most brug enthusiest I do get purdy thrilled when some new leaves pop up on my brugs(lol). Oh, and some of my gardening skills came from my grandparents, but most of that was hillin squash, shuckin corn, shellin peas, peelin taters, ect. But about this time last year I took up interest in local medicinal plants like genseng, lobelia, passiflora incarnata, yellowroot, gravelroot, and ratsbane to name a few. Then it gradually turned over to ornamentals (somehow) Now I like brugs, dats, mirabilis, ipomoea alba and others. So almost all of my experience came from myself, the net, and books. btw. I love Tennessee (sp?) The mountains of Upstate SC are purdy, but they don't even compair to the Great Smokies of Tennessee.

Hey, David, good for you, for having a level head for a teen-ager!! I also like the native plants and herbs. My son Tobias is really into the native orchids- I may have a photo that I posted earlier this spring on this forum of Large yellow Lady Slippers.

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You are not too far from where we live, as the crow flies. If you ever come toward Lake Lanier in NE Georgia, let me know, and I can load ya up with some more brugs you may not have. I won't be shipping out this year, it's gonna be pick-up cutting and plants, only.

My son told me that the head-shops sell the dried leaves of Salvia divinorum and that they are expensive........... hmmm, I asked him, "How do you know?" Put on the spot!!

Regarding Diggr- he has seizures and is now on phenobarbital. Poor little guy- he is my hyper, nervous & smart dog that the other dogs pick on sometimes. So, I spoil him!! I am so relieved he is okey!

Brenda

Mary, that really cracked me up. My daughter thinks between the plant forum and the fishing forum that John and I have no life but yet know everyone in the world, lol. People stop us on the lake and say hey aren't you Fool4Fishing? They recognize us because my husband is Hawaiian and I am blonde and the boat lol. She thinks we are famous and is intrigued that I send and recieve plants all over the U.S. Now she has gotten to be like John and says I want this one and she takes care of it. John is eyballing the ivy that Carmen sent me and going that would look nice in my office, lol. I woke up and the ground is wet. Could it be praise god we got some rain last night? My luck is turning around I do believe.

Thank you ms. Brenda, and them Lady's Slippers are beautiful! My granny says some pink lady slippers used to grow in the woods behind my house, but after the trees they was growin under got cut down and replaced by a pine thicket, they disappeared, I recken they got too much sun and/or acid in the soil or something. Now the only orchids in the woods that i've seen are rattlesnake plantain. They aint as showey as the Lady's slippers. I was sopposed to go to Bible camp this week in Sand Mountain Georgia, but I wowned up gettin sick and couldn't go. I think we would have driven by lake Lanier on our way there . And I looked at your trade list, Gosh A'mighty you got a bunch of brugs some I've never even heard of before! I have heard thought that the Charels Grimale(sp?) is one of the most fragrant of all, is that so? Would love to stop by and pick some brugs up, but I can't drive by myself yet and I don't know when I'll be going through The Peach State anytime soon. I'm happy your dog's ok. I ain't never heard of a dog gettin seizures before. I hope it ain't catchin!