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Have you put a tiny clem in a pot with a climbing rose?

18 years ago

I put a very small (about 3 in size pot) Hagley Hybrid in a pot with a 5 gal. climbing rose. The pot has a 17 in. inside diameter. It is on my front porch that is west facing - getting sun from about 1 p.m. on. It is still alive but not growing. I'm wondering if I should pull it out. Also, all of my clems are hardly growing. I've gone for weeks without growth or bloom. I've been disappointed this year so far.

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  • 18 years ago

    Julie...I have clems in pots and they do fine..just make sure you are watering it enough..mine have drip systems so they get watered ever other day...you shouldn't expect much from a baby clematis...they will seem as if they have stopped growing which I call resting and then poof..they take off again..so have patience and make sure they are staying moist and use rose or tomato fertilizer...remember that clematis take a good three years to become established and only get better with each year...you didn't say which variety the others are?...Clematis "Hagley's Hybrid" is a pruning group 3 and should be hard pruned each late winter/early Spring...Jeanne

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks, Jeanne. I will be patient. I haven't done too much fertilizing, so I will.

    Julie

  • 18 years ago

    Julie you are so welcomed...Jeanne

  • 18 years ago

    Julie, you do mean the Hagley Hybrid and the climbing rose are planted together in a 17" pot, right? In that case, maybe you need a much bigger pot, maybe 22-24", or a half-barrel, even better. The rose roots will completely fill the 17" pot and leave nothing for the clematis. I was going to plant a rose and clem in the same pot this year, but changed my mind and kept them in two separate, big pots, beside each other. They ended up twining together on the wall anyway, and look great.
    Judith

    Semu & Westerland

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  • 18 years ago

    Judith!!..Very Pretty!!

  • 18 years ago

    Thank you, Jeanne. I was inspired last year by a photo you posted of an orange rose, and a blue clem, can't remember their names. but it sure was pretty.

    Judith

  • 18 years ago

    WOW...What an honour..You did good!!..You must be talking about my Clematis "Ramona" that I companioned with my climbing rosa "Autumn Sunset"..2 years ago I went on a binge planting purple clematis and peach colored climbing roses like some madhatter..LOL...then last year I went mad planting red climbing roses and purple clematis..will it never end?..I have 15 more clematis coming this fall..LOL...Jeanne

  • 18 years ago

    I've been lurking...

    This rose and clematis thing has been confusing me. This is my first year with both.

    I planted climbing rose bushes this year - a white and a red variety. I was told to water, water, water the first year. But, I just planted a Romantika clematis there too, and I'm going to move it. I'm afraid all the water is going to cause root rot.

    You want to be careful not to overwater clematis for this reason. I read, with my delivery of my clematis from Silver Star Vinery, that you water, then let the soil dry up a bit (not totally dry of course), then water again. No daily watering. Of course, this is when it is planted in the ground and not in a pot.

    It seems to me that planting these together, other than aesthetically speaking, is hardly compatible given that the water needs are so different.

    Also, with regard to the fertilizing...I don't know if this is your first year clem, but I was also told NOT to fertilize the first year, except maybe at planting time to promote root growth, but it depends on who you talk to.

    I also read that fertilizing established clems can shorten the bloom time - again, same information from Silver Star Vinery (I believe it was them - I ordered from several different companies this year), and they recommend to fertilize maybe at the beginning of the growing season.

    Some of my clems were planted in early February and didn't show much growth until early summer, as I'd expected. Of the clems that I planted recently, they are also slow to show any growth, which I think is better because I'm assuming the roots are taking time to establish themselves.

  • 18 years ago

    Kim..the reason that Climbing roses and Clematis are great as companions is because they both have the same needs...same type sun exposure: 6-8 hours...Same Moisture needs : watered DEEPLY and to drain well..Same Fertilizers: one with the higher Middle number on the N-P-K ratio aka Rose or Tomato Fertilizer...
    I am not sure of what the SSV site says but I think you might have misunderstood..The soil "can" dry a bit between waterings..Clematis like to live in a moist well drained soil...NOT SOGGY WET..for clematis can rot like any other plant..I don't water everyday...I stick my finger in the soil and IF the soil feels dry...I water!!..Being in a cooler zone..I seriously doubt you have to water as much as I do?...My Sprinklers come on every other day for 20 minutes ('cause the later parts of summer in HOT TEXAS can kill anything that is deprived of water)...My Potted Clematis are on a drip system that gets the same thing from my sprinkler system..I have some Clematis in the ground and in pots in my back garden that aren't on my sprinkler system and they get watered by hand..by me every 2-3 day...once you learn which parts of your garden seem to dry out quicker then you can stay on top of those..
    As far as fertilizing...I think what that site might have said or mean IS..DO NOT FERTILIZE once you see your vines set flowerbuds for if you do ..you'll put your bloom period on hyperdrive and that wonderful 6 week period of blooms will only last a couple weeks..hope this helps demystify all your questions...Jeanne

  • 18 years ago

    That blue combined with that pink-to-orange rose is absolutely stunning. I have a question though, perhaps to our expert here jeannes_texas; Jeanne, potted clematis, if a black plastic, average all around nursery pot, is ok for clems, well, wouldn't the temperature in the pot generally exceed soil temperatures - hotter to colder? In my, and most summer situations, I'd reckon the heat in a black pot would far exceed garden soil temps and so temperatures that clems would be happy with! Would do you think?

  • 18 years ago

    I don't use black plastic pots as permanent homes for my clematis ...I do use the one-gallon ones for growing out baby clematis which are sunk in the garden anyway to insulate and keep more moist..Jeanne

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks for that Jeanne, that makes a lot of sense, black plastic pots in the sun, especially where the roots of plant species that demand coolness is, I reckon, anethema to good gardening practise. The black plastic pots that nurseries here (in Aust.) sell plants in are totally unsuitable for species such as clematis, especially where it isn't convenient to plant them soon after purchase.

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