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Another question about seeds

18 years ago

My question concerns what the likely outcome would be from planting seeds that have been self-pollinated. I got seeds from a planting of daylilies last summer that I am guessing were Frans Hals. They were absolutely beautiful! There were no other daylilies anywhere around. The seeds are plump and hard. I'm just wondering whether the fact that they are self pollinated would make it more likely that the resulting seedlings would look like the parent. Or can they still be wildly different?

I thought some of you might have planted seeds like this and I wondered what results you might have gotten.

Last summer my first seedlings bloomed from a very haphazard attempt at crossing my own very limited plants 2 years ago. Though I got nothing 'different' or earth shattering, I did get several very nice garden plants that I will keep. So, since then I have been deliberately making crosses (my dl garden has increased), and also got some seeds from the la. I should get blooms from some of them this summer. I've definitely got the bug!

Thanks for any information you might have. This forum is very informative and has the nicest people around.

Darleen

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    In my way of thinking, about 25% will exhibit the dominant traits of FRANS HALS. 50% exhibit the dominant traits but have recessive genes. 25% will exhibit the recessive genes only. So about 75% will be very similar to FRANS HALS while 25% will be different. I would also expect a number of seedlings with genetic problems.
    The cure for this bug you have is lots of space and someone to keep the beds ready for planting! ;0)
    Have fun,
    Ed

  • 18 years ago

    Ed, thank you so much for your reply. That is just the information I needed. Since I only have 6 seeds I will go ahead and plant them and see what happens. Sounds likely that I will get a Frans Hals lookalike and will hope it has no problems. It will be fun to see at any rate.

    As for the bug, well I do have space and my dh is fairly easily convinced to get those beds ready. I guess I'm pretty lucky. I'm so ready for spring and can't wait to see my seedlings bloom.

    Darleen :)

  • 18 years ago

    One of my greatest joys is having that first cup of coffee walking the seedling beds, looking for that Stout Medal winner! ;0)
    You probably will need a digital camera with a macro lens and tri-pod, so you can photograph those seedlings.

  • 18 years ago

    I've got that covered Ed, except for the macro lens. I totally agree with walking the seedling beds first thing in the morning, coffee in one hand and camera in the other. Sometimes I get lost out there and forget to come in. Ah heaven! :)

  • 18 years ago

    I purchased a $20 tripod for my camera last year and the difference in the quality of my daylily photos was amazing. I guess being 55 causes me to shake and the tripod eliminates the shake. My pictures are pretty good now even if I do say so! By the way, taking photos of your garden is just about as additive as growing daylilies.

    I have to agree with the first cup of coffee tastes so great in the garden.
    Blessings to all, Mona

  • 18 years ago

    Ah, there's nothing like that first cup of coffee while we check out our DLs -- or see if any seeds have sprouted. I love walking early in the morning out in the garden while drinking my coffee. It's a great way to start out the day.

    So far, I haven't used our tripod and my "super camera" yet, but I'll pull them out of the closet this coming spring. It's time to get serious now.

    Let us know how your Frans Hals seedlings turn out, Darleen.

    Nancy

  • 18 years ago

    OMGoodness! I thought I'd never meet anyone who understood that the first cup of coffee goes best with a stroll through the garden! I guess in the winter it's a closet addiction...now, while it's too cold to go out, I've been pulling my seed bags out of the closet to check for germination while sipping that FCC. Everyone I know acts like I'm a freak for it.

    Maybe it takes another garden addict to truly understand the soul --LOL

    Thanks for sharing your double addictions :)

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks everyone for your comments! I thought I was the only first cup of coffee, garden strolling, picture taking addict out there. Now I know I'm in good company. My dh always knows where to find me early in the morning during bloom season. But he can't understand just what the fascination is. As you said berrytea4me 'it takes another garden addict to understand the soul.' How very true! There is so much peace and contentment in flowers. I just can't express all that I get from them.

    Nancy, I sure will let you know what happens with the Frans Hals seeds. I'm expecting some of last years seedling to bloom this season, so maybe I can share some pictures with you if I get some pretties.

    Take heart, spring is coming!

    Darleen:)

  • 18 years ago

    Hi DARLEEN you cant tell what you will get.Some traits will show up from FRANS HALS but your plants may all be different due to other recessive genes. I say this as I have one of which every sibling is different almost every eye a different colour in shede .Other plants that i have crossed from that should have come ur around 30 in ,have come up over 50 in. over the last 10 or 15 years I have been having fun playing with genes from my plants , tet to dip,allotetraploids , polyploid genetics its getting more interesting over the years to see what you can come up with yourself TAKE CARE DICK

  • 18 years ago

    Dick, you are right that growing dl's from seed is a fascinating hobby. Most of the seedlings I have now that have bloomed are from the same pod parent. They are all very different. In most the characteristics vary so much it would be hard to guess who the parents are if I didn't already know. It is so much fun to not only see the first bloom, but then to watch and see how the blooms can change with maturity.

    Keep having fun, that's what it's all about!

    Darleen :)