Don't give up on MJS just yet. Mine has been slow to build but is coming into her own. This rose is a sport of The Duchesse de Brabant and I am finding mine to be just as wonderful a plant.

For your climber, I suggest Cl Clotilde Soupert. This one does have a blush in the cooler weather, but I find it to be a white. Mine is two years old and has canes that are at least ten feet vertical. Nearly disease free. I do not spray. She is covered with buds. I will post a pic when she comes into her glory. I would say it has a very nice fragrance.

Many will suggest Don Juan for your red. I love this climbing rose but have found that it only really blooms twice a year for me. I am hearing very good things about "Field of the Woods" and am looking to find it on Fortuniana. Moderate climber, very red and fragrant, too.

Veronica

Here is a link that might be useful: Clotilde

Here's a pic link of FOTW. I think this will be the one that I use in my first grafting attempts.

Here is a link that might be useful: Kocher Red aka Fields of the woods

Don't give up on MJS just yet. Mine has been slow to build but is coming into her own. This rose is a sport of The Duchesse de Brabant and I am finding mine to be just as wonderful a plant.

That's what I'm hoping. This is my second try with her, but the first time I hadn't mulched around the roses yet and that makes for a tough environment out there so I thought it wasn't a fair test. She's very pretty in blossom.

.....Alan.

Good questions Alan . I would also like to own a vivid red .

As a newbie to roses , I have experience with just a few OGRs but am madly in love with them .

I have Maitland white and Bermuda Spice as white roses . They are young but thriving and very different from each other .

What can you tell me about Caldwell pinks ? I have a small one that has bloomed once - gorgeous little flower .

Seems we can all blame Louis for giving us the rose bug !

A word of caution, some of these roses will get huge. I have Louise Phillipe and Mutabilis. If you feed them and give them decent water in three or four years they can get ten feet high and they will be wider than that. Now mine are on fortuniana, so they get bigger faster and stay that way as compared to own root.

Remember this is Florida; roses that take years to grow in Illinois or New York get large in a year or two here with the proper care. If they are on fortuniana they will zoom!

I agree with Veronica about Climbing Clotilde Soupert...it is a beautiful rose with clusters of white or pinkish white flowers that smell wonderful! My favorite white OGR in my old rose garden was Maitland White, a Bermuda Mystery Rose. It had lovely buds and very nice flowers, with a slight fragrance. I also grew Trinity, another white BMR, but I liked Maitland White better. (There is another name for it, too, but I can't remember what it is. Ill-Man knows.)

A climbing "red" OGR is harder...there is one that looks very similar to Louis Philippe, Cramoisi Superior, I think. It is supposed to be a climber, but I've never grown it. And it is very hard to know for sure whether you are actually getting LP or CS, as they start out looking quite similar, though I always think CS is a slightly truer red.

The best pink climber I can think of is Climbing Old Blush. It will get huge, has gorgeous pink flowers and is truly a beauty. Oh, and there is Tausendschoen, a fantastic climber that has clusters of blooms in shades of pink ranging from dark to light. Not much fragrance, but it is really a gorgeous plant, and can practically cover a fence in no time. (Nicki always called hers "The Beast.")

Good luck with whatever you end up with. OGR's are so addictive!

Marcia

OK, I'm sold on the Climbing Clotilde Soupert. Seems to be well suited to Florida and looks nice. Blossoms remind me of a Pink Perfection camellia.

I like the Maitland White too.

I'm still checking out the Field of the Woods.

Anyone have a vivid red shrub rose they want to suggest?

What can you tell me about Caldwell pinks ? I have a small one that has bloomed once - gorgeous little flower .

I don't as yet have a depth of experience with roses, but the Caldwell Pink is the second rose we got after the Louis. So far she's been pretty tough in that she survived on my sandhill without mulch and still put out blossoms occasionally. So far for me she's not a big bush, but is tending to stay rather compact. Leaves are smaller than the others. Small, tight pink blossoms in clusters. Seems to have good drought tolerance, but now that she's mulched in with the others is putting out some nice growth.

The Mutablis has put out some very nice blossoms this week. I am reallys she's still only a small thing, but I'm really starting to enjoy her.

.....Alan.

Caldwell Pink, aka Pink Pet...I had one that was great! A full, sprawling bush that would work lovely in a raised bed where it can spill over the sides a bit, but which is fine in a regular bed, too. It gets lots of clusters of clear pink flowers. No fragrance that I ever noticed, but it reblooms all year long on long, arching canes, and the flowers have a great shape to them.

Felix has my Pink Pet now, and I don't know how it is doing for him, but it was a good performer for me. It managed to stay fairly green and full in between bloom flushes, too, unlike many of my others.

Marcia