Thanks Leo. My computer won't let me log into the catalouge selection. Is anyone else having this problem?
Shelley

I can't view it either, it says I don't have permission to. >:0(

I hate this time of year when the online catalogues are down... aarrgh... maybe they are trying to tell me something, like I should be shopping for Christmas presents for my family.

Good morning to all................i was just on the Cedar Hollow Web site. I guess it's up and running again. Now i get to start making my wish list!

Thanks Leo, I really like the new Cedar Hollow website format this year.

Here's what I'm ordering for 2007....

Buck - Country Dancer
Buck - Prairie Princess
Explorer - Charles Albanel
Parkland - Morden Belle
Parkland - Morden Sunrise
Parkland - Prairie Celebration
Parkland - Winnipeg Parks
Pimpenellifolia - Suzanne (Skinner)
Rugosa - Mrs. John Mcnabb
Rugosa - Polareis
Rugosa - Scabrosa
Rugosa - The Hunter

Leo, I already have....

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Wasagaming - first rose to bloom in the spring. Repeat bloomer.

Both are wonderful roses I'm sure you'll enjoy in your garden too.

Sharon

Sharon, I thought you already had 'Mrs.John McNab' from Cornhill. How much does it bloom and how fragrant is it. I see it listed as "blooming two weeks" to "repeats well". I want to put it right out front so I don't want it looking drab most of the summer.
Leo

I did Leo, but it didn't make it this past spring? This rose was planted too close to the greenhouse, I'm thinking the mice had a great buffet all last winter under straw. Or it died from being too wet... the soil is very compacted in that area.

So therefore I'm trying another one ;)

Mrs. Joh Mcnabb
Slight fragrance with 2 inch pink blooms. Long bloom time and healthy dark gray green foliage on arching red canes, with few thorns. Very disease resistant. Very hardy. 8Âx6Â Repeat Moderate Fragrance Zone 2

Sharon

Here is a link that might be useful: Mrs. Joh Mcnabb

Leo, where did you find your Will Alderman?

Also has anyone ever come across Rita Bugnet?

Here is a link that might be useful: What's New in Winter Hardy Roses from Canada

Sharon, how did you like your Polstarjnan rambler this summer? It grew a lot didn't it? I'm looking for something really hardy and really huge I can just leave up for the winter. I have had that one in mind for a long time. Never seen Rita, sorry.

Sharon, I too am wondering about Polestar. I'm thinking about repacing my virginia creeper on the south side of my house with this rambler.

Another rose I know that you have that I have been looking at it Fimbriata. Did it bloom lots for you?

Did you notice that Cedar Hollow carries Emily Carr from the new Canadian Artist series? It is going to be on my list.

I too have been on the search for Rita Bugnet and Harrisons Yellow on own root. They are hard to find.

Shelley

Ohh shoot, howÂd did I miss that one Shelley, I donÂt recall them having a featured selection at their website. I quickly wrote an email to see if I can add Emily onto my order.
You gals know me by now, this always happens, I place my order and I have to phone or write back to add something else that I had missed. LOL

Polestar (Polstjärnam) is not the same as Polareis btw ;)
Polestar is a monster climber and very prairie hardy, next spring it will be going in its 2nd year, IÂm afraid it will take over the poor trellis bench. I will have to do lots of pruning after its finished blooming next summer wearing an armor suit. The only thing about this rose that has its drawback is that its a one-time bloomer for about 3 weeks in the summer. I have a Clematis ÂJackmanii growing thru it to give it some colour when its not blooming.

Hmmm, I wonder why Cedar doesnÂt have HarrisonÂs Yellow in stock this year, that is where I got mine this past spring. I read somewhere that itÂs a fussy rose to propagate, possibly write a letter to them and ask if there is one hidden in the corner that they might sell you Shelley? They do have HarrisonÂs Salmon as well.

Fimbriata is a new rose that I received in the spring too; it put out a few blooms its first year, but nothing spectacular thus far. The blooms are frilly carnation looking and very perfumed. Lois Holes rose book says its supposed to reach a height of 3-4 feet and that it should be planted in a prominent site where it is convenient for you to Âstop and smell the roses ;)

Sharon

Sharon, that was "on a different note", not confusing Polestar with Polareis ;0) (although Polareis looks pretty too!). I have been thinking of combining it with Billy Baffin, or Improved Blaze. I'm a little "ehhh" about the colour of Billy but he's probably more reliable. My house is red & white so I thought that would look nice.

I'm really looking for 'Agnes' this year. Nobody seems to have it. Pickering has it grafted but somehow I can never bring myself to trust bareroots, even though their prices and shipping are reasonable and their selection is large. Anyone ever order from Pickering? Am I missing out?

Oh yeah Cedar Hollow's new site is great BTW!

I've never ordered from Pickering and I will probably never will because of all their roses being grafted ;)

I bought my Agnes a few years ago from Cornhill in NB, but I noticed they're sold out too, unless their website is not updated yet for 2007.

Agnes is the only rose that I have that is gafted. Apparently this is another rose that is fussy to propagate and the owner of Cornhill once told me that its the only rose they do sell grafted because the cultivar is inferior on its own root.

I would choose Billy over Blaze any day ;)

Sharon

Sharon, Pickering has a selection of own-roots now. There are 34 of them. They are a "bareroot rooted cutting", which I am a little leery about, but the shipping (and the plants) are very cheap as a result.

Thanks for the heads up about Agnes & grafting. I might actually try a minimum order from Pickerings this year and see how it looks...

Hortico has Agnes as an own-root plant. The shipping costs are anything but cheap from this company. :-(

Because of this thread, I'm in the mood to order some roses :-). My previous plants have been purchased from local garden centres. I have a wish-list made up for Cedar Hollow, but I've since been distracted by Pickering and Hortico. Has anyone had dealings with these in the past? Any recommendations?

Sharon, how much was the shipping charge on your CH order?

Here is a link that might be useful: Hortico's Agnes

Gil, I took a browse over at Pickerings to see what they have for own-root, I have mostly all of the HARDY ones already. $11 aint bad price thou!

Doris my shipping from Cedar Expedited is $20.89 for 12 roses. However it will go up since I added Emily Carr on to it.

Sharon

Oh yes I forgot to mention that most of those aren't hardy. Doris, I have heard negative things about Hortico on the roses forum in the past. Haven't checked in there for awhile though, but last spring there was a new bash-Hortico thread about every week. I have not bought from them I must add.

I might get 'Agnes' from Pickerings, and they have a floribunda 'Bridal Pink' that I have been wanting too. My grandmother's name was Agnes, plus I like the rose, so I really want it. They also have Polestar own-root but I will probably get it from Cedar Hollow so it will be potted. Not sure yet.

Hortico has a couple of roses that I've been looking for forever. I guess I'll have to keep looking... Thanks for the warning, Gil.

Doris, I feel guilty now for putting you off on hearsay! If you want the roses enough, maybe you could try a small order? Their service might be better in Canada too, most people on the Roses forum are Americans.

Anyone here grow Reine des Violettes? I thought it was at least as hardy as the Gallicas etc., but Cedar Hollow says it's zone 5 (?)

I recall that I read somewhere that Hortico and Dominion Seed House are affiliated. Now if Hortico roses/plants are anything like DSH, IÂd would NOT place an order. However, if they have a guarantee policy, then I would chance it if its roses that you've been looking for some time. If the ship rotten plants, get your money back ;)

Doris what roses are those that you're looking for, maybe we can help?

Sharon

Gil, I purchased both Reine des Violettes and Rose de Rescht last spring. So I'll be able to tell you in the spring if they made it or not. Rose de Rescht stuggled all year. It was in a lower lying area and finally set out leaves in late summer. So if it doesn't make it , I wouldn't say it is a true test. But Reine des Violettes did grow well, not in leaps and bounds mind you.

If you are looking for a climber, you might want to look at Ramblin Red. I've had my eye on it for a bit. It's one parent is Henry Kelsey. I love the colour of him. Ramblin Red has fuller flowers.

As far as Dominion Seed House roses, I ordered one- Kaleidoscope. It was bare root and the branch union was larger than my fist. I was quite pleased.

Has anyone tried any of the moss roses? I'd love to try one of these.

Shelley

My experience with Hortico has been quite positive. A friend was on business in Ontario and picked up two roses for me. I called ahead and they were very accommodating had them ready for him to take on the plane. They came through in great shape and took right off, blooming nicely the same summer. They are not on there own roots but I wanted them for a perennial bed with no suckering. I would not hesitate to order from them again. If someone from work goes to Ontario next summer I am considering getting 'Dr F.L. Skinner'.
Leo

Shelly, thanks for the RdV info. I thought someone here had it. I think I will give it a shot. Did it bloom the 1st year for you? And was it nice and purple? ;) I love the look of 'Ramblin Red' but I didn't think it would be hardy for us. I'm more conservative with climbers than bushes because of potential dieback. I have seen some knockout pics of it from Zone 5-ish.

Anyway, I did decide to get 'Improved Blaze', since my Grandma used to grow it in Wpg and it was cane hardy. I also ordered 'Polestar', 'Agnes', and a red & white mini called 'Roller Coaster'. By ordered I mean e-mailed to Mom for her Xmas shopping - LOL! That's from Pickering. I'm going to get a second Polestar from Cedar Hollow, and a few other things. I have a south-east and a south-west wall that are each going to get a Polestar & something red.

Leo, I'm glad you had better luck with Hortico. Perhaps their shipping to the US was the problem. They sure do have a big selection.

Reine des Violettes did have a few blooms. I wouldn't really call it purple, maybe a dark purplish pink. Second years are always better when it comes to roses. I hope it makes it. I didn't protect any of my roses again. The snow came too early. But it is all tucked under the white stuff.

Gil, never feel guilty for helping out!! I appreciated your suggestion to check out the Rose Forum. I also looked at Hortico's ratings on the Garden Watchdog. It sounds like it's a bit of a gamble with this company; some people have great luck, while others are bitterly disappointed, with the quality of plants, with the service, and with getting the plants they ordered. I'd be more likely to give them a try, if their shipping charges were lower!! To Alberta: 1-4 plants=$20, 5-12=$29, 13-18=$30.50, etc.

I'm glad you had a positive experience with Hortico, Leo. I noticed, though, that your plants were picked up in person. I wonder if that makes a difference?

Sharon, I've been dying to get "Mother's Day", a dwarf, red polyantha. I'm sure my mom had this in her garden many, many years ago. I just loved the shape of the bloom. (Too bad I can't order from the UK!)
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The other is "Gizmo", a miniature floribunda. I saw this rose in an acquaintance's garden years ago; it was smothered in blooms and it was adorable. She told me that it grew like that every year. Of course, she couldn't remember where she'd bought it, and I haven't located it before now. It's a new variety at Hortico.
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Of course, then I looked through their on-line catalogue and found others that I'd love to have. Sigh. Several testamonies about Hortico claimed that substitutes were sent for more than half an order, and that less than half the roses survived the first season... Decisions, decisions...

I've done a bit more digging on the web, and I've discovered that BOTH of the above roses are offered by Pickering Nurseries!! The shipping costs are just as high, but I think Pickering has a better reputation!! Where's my Visa??

Doris, that's great that you found them! There is one rose I am dying to have, but it's not available in Canada. If anyone finds it, let me know! It's 'Charles Aznavour'... oh to die for.

So I e-mailed Pickerings to find out what their definition of a "rooted cutting" is for their new line of own-roots. I was worried this would be a twig with a couple of sets of leaves and some baby roots. Here's what they said:

"Our Own-Root plants are graded much the same way that our grafted plants are depending on the number of viable canes present on the plant. Number 1 plants have 3 or more canes, Number 1 1/2 (light grade) plants have 2 canes. The plants grow in our fields, pruned back once they go dormant, and are then shipped bare root, while dormant. The Own-Root plants are smaller in size than those grafted on to the multiflora rootstock, and the canes are usually slimmer. The effect of shipping bare root plants should be no different than grafted plants."

Sounds okay to me! I hope this hasn't been a hijack, if anyone thinks we should start a new rose-ordering thread, just start one. ;)

Here is a link that might be useful: Charles Aznavour

Gil, I can understand why you want a 'Charles Aznavour'!! That's such a gorgeous rose!!! I'll keep my eyes open for you. Good luck in your search!

Last fall I had ordered 14 rugosa type roses from Hortico, all arrived in good shape except for one that was rather puny. They had grown and flowered well this past summer and all proved to be true to name ... so, I was happy about that! They are under new management and seem to have improved upon their quality and service.

Terry

I see that Dominion Seed House is selling the 2 Canadian Artist Series, ÂEmily Carr and ÂFelix Leclerc roses.

I have $20 credit, so I'm thinking of ordering Felix from them. But first I wrote an email questioning if they're own-root?

Doris, glad to hear you found your roses, those look gorgeous!

Gil, youÂre going to have such a beautiful rose garden, what a nice Christmas present from your MOM!

Sharon

Let me know Sharon what you find out from Dominion House about these new roses. I too have credit.
Shelley

I noticed that T&T Seeds in Manitoba sells the Persian Yellow rose, is this the same as Harrison's Yellow?

Sharon

No, Persian Yellow looks a lot like Harison's, and is believed to be its parent, but it's not exactly the same.

Good to know Gil, thanks for clarifying that.

Shelly, no word back yet from DSH. Apparently they don't know what they are selling, hmmm.
They said theyÂd verify with the buyer and contact me as soon as possible. Sorry for the delay. Thank you.

I'll let you know when I do ;)
Sharon

Shelley, just got word that they are grafted onto a hardy understock. I'll wait till Cedar Hollow gets their ÂFelix in next year or so ;)

Sharon do you have any info on Rita Bugnet?..Im thinking I need the whole family :-)..I have been wanting a Polestar (I think in Lois Hole's rose book it is called Polarstar?) since I seen it in Lois Holes rose book..My friend has one growing over an arbor and it must be 12 feet tall..I thought it would look good rambling through the Johns- Davis and Cabot roses and so far I havent seen it at any nurseries around here so was glad to see it in the cedar hollow rose farm site ..savona

Savona, not much info or background out there on Rita, I just discovered it myself this year from browsing a link below, didn't realize there was other relations? There is also Anne & Marthe.

btw, I have Marie, she's a beauty if you don't have her yet.

Polestar is indeed a monster, be forewarned ;)

Sharon

Here is a link that might be useful: Canadian Hybridized Roses

I have Marie and Therese Bugnet and hadnt known about the others..makes a person wonder if they were lost over the last few decades :-(..savona

Joel Shraven is the manager at Pickering and cares a great deal about customer service. They have both own root and grafted on Rosa multiflora. If you plant deeply enough the scion will root and the Rosa multiflora root stock because its deeper down will remain cool enough to supress its own suckering. In a few years your grafted rose becomes an own root. Most of my friends in zone 3 plant 6 inches deep.

Andy, thanks for your thoughts. I have grafted and own-root roses and both do very well. But some people here at the Far North stick with own-root because they perform better in their location. Multiflora is definitely the best rootstock for our climate. This past fall I dug up 3 old, grafted hybrid teas and they had very clearly formed their own roots as well as using the rootstock. It was actually very interesting to see. (I dug them up to move them to my new house BTW, not to dispose of them).

According to HelpMeFind, some of the rarer Bugnets are on display at Roseraie du Témis in Quebec. Wow I would like to visit there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Roserie d. T.

Hi, If you can get Rosa Helenae hybrida , its a better choice than Polstjärnan ..bigger roses and fragrant , blooms longer at least in my climate
Tried roses from Hortico , out of 25 one survived .. not a good result :(
I have almost all in the explorer Parkland series on own root and they are doing just fine :)
K

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Leo and Terry, I'm glad to hear you've had good reviews with Hortico. Now that Cedar is closed for business, I'm thinking of placing a Buck (grafted) rose order with them next spring.

Anyone else order roses from Hortico before and what are your reviews?

Sharon

Sharon, yes - i have Hawkeye Belle and Delicata. Both arrived in good shape and Hawkeye Belle has bloomed beautifully this summer!

Good to know Marcia, I'll probably place an order with them next winter then.

How deep did you plant the graft?

Sharon

I'm pretty sure i planted them about 6" deep, because of advice given here.