I grow the Walter's viburnum and the Simpson's Stopper. The viburnum is a big shrub, haven't had any problem with that, other then it's size. The stopper is a wonderful small tree, except for me it suckers like the clero's do. I cut them off or pull them out but it does require some work. It took a couple of years before it started this. :o)

The pandora vine I think will need more then a small trellus, I had that on an arbor before the 'canes.

I have dwarf Walter's vibrunum, at least that's what I have been told. So far it is small, compact, not spectacular, has survied all cold snaps without any problems.

Marcia,the Carolina Jasmine show their knees,you know.
I have several blooming right now. They are beautiful and their scent is heavenly. But the bottom of the vine stays bare. So I plant other things that will cover their knees.
I wish I had know you were wanting some. I have lots of sukers. If anyone wants some let me know and I'll
take it to the swaps for ya.
Felix

Thanks for the offer and the info, Felix. I would have let you know I wanted one, except....even I didn't know I wanted one, until I saw a really pretty one at Lukas. Then it was too late! Hahaha.

The trellis I'm planting it on is in the middle of a bed full of other stuff, so Nekkid Knee Syndrome probably won't be a problem. I want Tough, and I think it will fill the bill.

I might have another rose for ya, if it comes out in one piece........

Marcia

I had a pandora vine for a while in the small backyard of my condo before I moved out. I didn't have any problems with nematodes. Mine grew FAST. I planted it in front of a 2-3 foot tall fence to hide the air conditioning unit, and it quickly outgrew that and started intertwining itself in the AC vents! I liked it a lot and tried to grow it from a cutting when I moved but was unsuccessful. You could keep it in a pot with a small trellis if you're really worried about it, but you'll have to do a lot of trimming to keep it contained!

Another one,Marcia? I know just where I'll put her, between
Emy gray and Pink pet. By the way,Francesca Kruger has put out three flowers and more coming. What a lovely rose!
St. David is all buds,incredibal. Maitland white has a lot of buds and so is Trinity.Vincent Godsiff is also blooming lots with many buds. All the bushes are lush and growing tremendously. Except for pink Pet,she was not doing that well so I prunned her good. Now she has responded and is looking much better with new growths. Francesca was another weak bush that was not going any where but I pruned her some and she has responded with new growth and buds. I do not like to prune but it does make a diference.
Thank you, Marcia.
Thanks to Nova, wich she came to my place several weeks ago
to pick up several of my gingers,she brought me several roses that she was rooting for me. She is so sweet. She brought me an Emmy Gray,red cascade,Bright sidecream, Souvenier de Mme. Leonie Viennot,Cornelia,and a Lois Phillippe that is still small and blooming his head off.
So my collection is growing as I have been adding now to create my OGR,climing garden.
And my new greenhouse is finish. I have started to use it.
My planting bench next to the door of the greenhouse. Every thing is so accesible to my planting. I just love it.
Felix

Wow, and I though Carolina Jasmine was a weed. I have it growing EVERYwhere on my fences! Felix, do you know, is it possible to dig and transplant them or do they suffer?
V:)

V, one man's weed is another man's wildflower! ;o)

Carolina jessamine has a very pretty, fragrant flower and is a butterfly nectar plant. Since it is native, it is hardy in this area, most of the time. And if it is fed & clipped now and then, it can be a full, lush vine that's very attractive. I'm hoping it will do well for me, as I turn my yard more and more into a wildlife garden, with lots of native plants, and a hint of cottagey stuff going on.

Hope you're doing well up on your beautiful property! How's the greenhouse working out for you?

Marcia

Vaodiva,hi!
I have not seen you posting in a while. Hope you're doing well. To your question,I dig them when they're young and plant them in a pot until they get estabished. Then I ant them in the ground. I have done this any time and always successful.
Felix

Hi, Marcia, I have the Carolina Jessamine and the Stimpson Stopper.

I got the Carolina Jessamine to attract hummingbirds, primarily and it does that but not very well. They prefer a number of other flowers that I have. The bees love it though and the flowers are very pretty. It does get some butterflies, but again, not a whole bunch. When I commented to my son that I was disappointed about the fact that hummers didn't frequent it much he said so what, the flowers are very pretty.

I like the Stimpson Stopper and more importantly the birds seem to like it also. Mine is rather cramped, but has grown well. Its branches aren't very strong or big, but the wildlife like it.

Thanks for the info, Tom. Yes, I would imagine that other plants might be bigger attractors for birds & butterflies, but as long as the jessamine also adds to the food sources, it's good for me. And I think the fact that it is a hardy native is the biggest plus. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does.

Now about the Simpson stopper...have you tried the fruit yet? I've read it has a citrus taste to it, but I've never seen one fruiting or sampled it myself. I love the fact that it has flowers that bees and butterflies love and fruit, as well. I'm sure the birds will enjoy that.

Marcia

Hi
I grow CJ on the aviary to provide shade and protect the birds from hawks. Has worked well but grows and flowers only on the roof so have to get on top of the house to enjoy the flowers lol. Planted Hibiscus in front to counter that but makes getting all the suckers out really hard. has a lot less negatives than many other vines I've tried. gary

I got rid of a potted Carolina Jessamine, there is some evidence it can be toxic to bees. Seems like there are differing opinions, but I wasn't going to take any chances. Google it if you'd like to learn more. I have the viburnum and simpson stopper, they're great. Also, I like white stopper and spanish stoppers even more.

Gary

Thanks, both Garys! I googled all the plants before posting here, just to get what general info I could. But then I thought I'd see what personal experience our members have had with them. I haven't found anything that said CJ was toxic to bees, and if Felix has a lot of it, it makes me wonder if that's true. He keeps bees and has delicious honey, so I'm guessing it hasn't bothered HIS, so far, anyway. I hope that's NOT true, as I don't want to do anything to chase off bees. I love having them keep me company in the garden. In fact, I quit growing feverfew for that reason. It is supposedly a bee repellant.

GaryH, may I ask why you like the white and Spanish stoppers even more? Are they prettier or tastier? Or have better growth habits? I could certainly be talked into using more of them. And are they native as well, I wonder? Will have to google them, too.

Marcia

My experience with simpson stopper and walter's viburnum is that they are both great shrubs IF you give them plenty of room and the right light. Though they will both take some shade, they both in my experience anyway like strong and even light to fill out nicely.

In the wild both of these plants will form sprawling gangly, almost vine-like plants (sort of like old muscadine vines) in shady spots, where they tend to grow. Needless to say it difficult to use this natural form in the garden. But given sun and space simpson stopper will keep a nice small tree form and the walter's viburnum will fill out into a big pretty ball, especially with a little trimming.

I have used both in hedges with mixed results. I finally gave up on the simpson. It just did not do well as a hedge in high shade--for me anyway. Walter's viburnum did better as a hedge but only in spots were the hedge got even light. They're both better as specimens in my opinion.

The fruit of Simpson stopper is not bad tasting, but it's almost all seed and skin. The texture is a bit leathery. It has a faint resin taste.

Carolina jasmine has been a great plant for me and bees and butterflies both like it. I haven't seen any die from it yet.

Good Luck!

Bill

When I first got my bees a state forest person,whatever their tittle is? was there helping with information to all of us that were beginning our beekeeping journey. He told us that jasmine is toxic to bees. I asked wich one for I have several different jasmine. He dd not know the answer.
At thattime Imadethe decission to aitand see. I havhad no problems. I have Caroline,confederate, pinwheel,night blomming jasamines.
So I'm still wating.
Felix

Good enough for me, Felix. I'm not going to worry unless my bees start disappearing. I have Confederate jasmine, a small night-blooming one which hasn't bloomed yet (from you), and now Carolina jessamine. I'll keep an eye on my visiting bees and see what seems to happen.

Thanks for the info, Bill. Both my stopper and my viburnum are in full sun for more than half a day, so I hope they will thrive. And I'm sort of thinking I will limb up the stopper when it gets taller to make a small crape myrtle shaped tree, umbrella like at the top and open enough at the bottom to have other plants under it. I saw pictures of it done that way and really liked the look of it. I guess I'll see when I find out how it does.

I love the little round ball that the Walter's viburnum is in right now. I think I'd like to keep it that shape as it grows. Mine might be a dwarf variety, anyway, only getting about 4' tall. It wasn't marked, but the nurseryman thought it was the dwarf one.

Marcia