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Patsy's experiment

19 years ago

I don't know who may be interested, but here is what I've done.

1. Good soil. I've got bed 1,2,and 3.

#1 is a foot of Royal Soil (basically pure, totally finished compost of horse manure and straw from a local compost farm) that been in place five years under weed cloth and hardwood mulch with only petunias and bachelor buttons.

#2 will be a new bed of Royal Soil

#3 is my new bed, the only one planted so far. 4 x 8 feet of double dug old basement excavation dirt. I ammended with four bags of Organic Valley mushroom compost, superior produst IMO, because no sawdust or sand is visible. And one bag of cow manure compost with plenty of sawdust and sand.

Bareroot plants were stripped of all thinner outer leaves, some were also nipped to 1/2 inch. All roots were trimmed. All were soaked submerged and weighted for 12 hours in a fresh 10% bleach solution. They were all rinsed, and soaked another 12 hours in Superthrive 1/4 teaspoon per gallon, again fresh for each batch. Since I was still sweating and cursing and getting blisters in nasty bed #3, they were all healed in, in a big tub of straight OV mushroom compost inside the house. I figured they could get in touch with healthy beneficials. They were all watered to moistness but never sopping.

I was slow, and in a few days most showed new growth in the tub. They've all been carefully and gently planted with concern for the delicate roots which may have formed. They were well and frequently watered in July by me and by the rains.

Right now most have continued new growth. There's none on Laughing Skies which was the last planted after the total strip and to the crown nip. It's got a 1/4 inch of compost over the crown and I'm thinking it will rot if anything does. Some had separated off eeny baby new shoots in infant fans. I planted them separately and they have a couple inched of new growth. They all floated free of parent plants in the soaking process and I've labeled them "Figure It Out." Two were seedling sized things that separated from small fans, and they've not shown regrowth as there just wasn't much root to support them.

Edged in Pink was not trimmed....I just wussed out. It came in two days in moist newspaper from a rust free Tennessee garden. I just couldn't do it! It was so perfect looking and totally green like it had just been lifted. It got soaked though, and I was surprised it didn't bother it. A week in the ground it is drooping a bit, and I realize it should have been trimmed for it's own good.

Fabulous Fringes had a scape with a proliferation. I left that plant pretty intact and in two weeks in the ground have new growth and the proliferation is all green again after it's bleaching and has gotten lots bigger. You could knock me over with a feather.

I have new batches now, that have been stripped and soaked and are in the hospital tub of compost until I see some evidence of new growth. Today, I make up a new hospital tub for new batches.

I don't know if the growth is sustainable, or stimulated somehow by the superthrive. I don't know if these tiny things will be able to make through the winter. Some may still rot, as they were all plopped out in full July sun and got only a few days of break from being soaked.

I'll keep my eyes open for rust and keep you posted. I must get a camera and figure out how to take pictures.

Comments (4)

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Patsy - I have read your experiment with care. Not certain that I understand what you are trying to do.... Just transplanting or trying to multiply your stock of some rare Hem. or?

    Where I live, southern Ontario, all hemerocallis are pretty much impossible to kill - you can grab a chunk with a hoe anytime of year and plop it into a new spot where you want them and within a few weeks, they are doing just fine, blooming even.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What a conincidence! I don't know what I'm trying to do either. :)

    I think you hit the nails on the head. I want to avoid rust and multiply rare Hems. I want to do it all, and as quickly as possible. I would hybridize myself for the sheer joy of it, but I think mostly I want to be able to give my mom and dad a proven clean, rare hem. My dad is 72, and he had a major stroke two years ago. They have a small daylily farm, rust free, in Kentucky, and he has always hybridized his own crosses. Mom said this year he didn't even write parentage on his tags. They won't buy through the mail, or from the south. We live in a zone where rust is not endemic, yet not reliably killed on dormants during winter.
    I'd like to be able to rekindle his excitement, and do it next fall, as he is older and in poor health. I'd never purposefully divide a new daylily! Once they came apart I just didn't know what to do.

    Of course, I'm lost to the beauty of the blooms and the fun of hybridizing myself. But anything that comes through this winter alive, and next summer rust-free would be happily dug completely up and taken to mom and dad.

    My first love was gardening in general, and I believe organic processes are the best, both for long term ease of maintenance and for healthier plants. Mother nature is a complex thing that I don't fully understand. I try to do things her way as much as possible! If I alter the breeding and natural selection for vigor, I'd like that to be my only alteration.

    I've been way impressed with the strength of these plants to bounce back from my extreme handling. Rust is a headache once you get it, and I think I'll opt for an ounce of prevention and hope for a lifetime of radically beautiful blooms. What I've done so far is soooooo easy. I mean, even old ditch lilies had better dirt in the ditch than the potting soil they sell in bags.

    I've got a five gallon utility bucket to make up bleach soak, and a dinner plate just fits to weigh them down over night. After a rinse, they just sit in a regular bucket of superthrive. Then they go into a tub for a few days to recover. Of course, if I still get rust and they all rot I'll be bummed. I have immense faith in the natural disease control of real compost, though, and I hope to have blooms to post next summer.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Patsy,
    It sounds like you are giving these daylilies great soil, and the steps you are taking for rust prevention are sound. I hope everything works out well for you.

    Debra

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks, Debra. It means a lot to me, to hear you say that. :) I emailed Wayne a bit ago to join the MTDS, but I need his addy to mail my dues. I'll email him again. I'd enjoy the newsletters and speakers.

    BTW, did you get a bloom from Magnificent Hummingbird? I get Ledgewood's (Abajian) and Lambertson confused, still. And since I'm maxed out for this fall I'm busily making fantastical spring wishlists. :)

    Yum! to Ledgewood's Tropical Butterfly and In Cahoots, and to Lambertson's Painted Bunting as well.