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Palm bracing

19 years ago

hi

Planted out some ,what I believe are queen palm seedlings last Nov, and they are not growing like i expected lol. They are over 15 feet tall now and still no trunk ,A stem of under 24 inches. A recent windstorm pushed

them a few degrees off vertical.I suppose due to the heavy rains .

Should I straighten these up now ..I fear that doing so will weaken them further. Also how can I go about bracing them?? I suspect that was not the worst windstorm we may get lol gary

Comments (12)

  • 19 years ago

    Gary - If you must save them, then go ahead and straighten the palms now. Use three rebar stakes and black tree strapping tape to anchor the palms from three angles. You will not weaken them.

    That having been said, Queen Palms are very high maintenance palms that rarely grow into attractive trees. They are highly susceptible to wind damage and are not self-cleaning. If you really want to grow some palms from seed, grow Foxtails instead.

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    Not sure they are queens but fairly certain they are not foxtails The fronds go around the rachis on several planes
    unlike others that I'm certain are queens. Got the seeds from a neighbors palm . ,which withstood all the hurricanes
    Very beautiful mama though she sufferered from Wilma but didn't topple and only about 25 feet.
    Rebar may work but have been in the ground two years and I 'm trying to grow them in tandem , don't want to damage the roots.. Think I'll put a large heavy pot behind them and some top soil around the base. The main problem is the ground has sunken from the rains Thanks for the suggestions.

  • 19 years ago

    Gary - the rebar is not going to damage the roots. As a matter of fact, as the rods begin to rust, the iron will really help the color of the fronds.

    Can you post a photo?

  • 19 years ago

    fawnridge
    Was hoping to get by without explaining as it would require a book lol. Here goes though. These are the remains of an attempt to dwarf non dwarf types of palms
    Choose the neighbors palm because it had great potential
    seeds germinated easily and they could withstand lots of crowding. This did not work for several reasons so I gave away most of the seedlings and decided to attempt double growing as it seemed a couple were actually doing it . That experiment is the one I'm talking about which was planted into the grounde as they were getting too large to keep hydrated. Okay,now we come to the "problem' you're talking about with this species. They hold the fronds for long periods of time. I decided to grow these and two others foor that reason. I want to experiment with the fronds as a
    grow media as well as hold fast for epiphytes. They seem to last for years ,terrible as a "landscape" plant maybe ideal as a "pot"? i want to create a hanging naural looking epi. log with multiple large species. I need frond around 15 feet long with at least 15 inch holds. very cupped and thick. Don't know if the idea will work but hey, had the palms in my back yard.
    As to landscape I feel i don't have room for palms and that room is going to the understory forest types .
    The palms in question will not reach maturity depending on how it works out. I want to be able to remove parts or all at any time.. They are already eating up a lot of space. but thought it worth a shot.
    Anyway,, finally lol. I think the pot idea will work without interferring with the other aspects .They are nearing appropriate size much quicker than anticipated.So don't want to mess with that.
    Have scrounged the neighbors refuse piles but they sick their dogs on me lol Haven't found ideal sizes anyway I don't want these palms as landscape plants see them as potential potting media. or maybe not. Thanks for the help though gary

  • 19 years ago

    Gary I don't know the circumfrence of your trees, but Dennis got these awesome tree bracers from Brooks. The have really helped steady and shape the trunks of our Black Olive and Tabebuia. Someone else was asking about these supports that we use too, so I hope this helps.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Brooks

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    Those might work if I had some trunk lol Less than two feet is trunk the rest is fronds. The pot idea is keeping them upright and so far have noticed no decline. of course if we get a H don't think i have a prayer. lol Hoping for a couple more months . Thanks for the link would probably work great if there was something to attach it too lol gary

  • 19 years ago

    Sorry, Gary. Those braces have gotten my trees through all the Hs. I love them.

  • 19 years ago

    Cindee, where did you get the Brooks tree braces? I didn't see a place to buy them on their web page. Do you recall approximately how much they cost?

    I'm interested in the small one.

    Thanks
    Lynne

  • 19 years ago

    Lynne-I'll see if Dennis can remember how he ordered them, or if he found 'em locally.

  • 19 years ago

    OK, Gary, I don't know if this will help you or not but this is what i have done to a queen palm that is in my yard. It too did not really have a trunk this past winter, just tall fronds and every time a big wind came along it would lean over. My hubby came up with this idea and so far it is working great. And I'm finally starting to get a "trunk". He used this surf-fishing pole holder thing he has that has a pointed end so it can stick in the sand. He pushed that down deep about 6 inches away from the tree. Then he wrapped a pair of pantyhose around the fronds and the pole holder and tied snug but not tight. I have since then removed the nylon and cut off a couple of fronds. Maybe this will work for you? (See that contraption on the right side of the picture?)

    Betsy (who hasn't worn pantyhose in years! - LOL!!!)

  • 19 years ago

    Gee Gary, looks like that might work, 'cept you'll have to sacrafice a pair of your panty hose...Hee hee

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    I used a pot about 3 feet both ways that used to house the palms . on the east side ,Wind must come from the west.
    2 bags of top soil gave it plenty of weight. along with 3 gallon jugs of water .I'm Sure the pot is going no where.
    Fits right up between the two stems. It is growing so gloriously with the heat and water I feel rather ashamed that it's a pot in the making lol
    Thanks for all the suggestions gary

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