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Dutchman's Pipe

19 years ago

finally I have a a dutchman's pipe..still in a pot, tho. Perhaps I've gone vine-crazy...have a red passion that has been cut WAY back and will be confined to no more than 16' of chain link fence on the back of the property. Also have a nice coral honeysuckle and a fairly small cape honeysuckle. The cape and coral are about 24' apart on stockade with a gate in between. Oh..and then there's the little purple passion that found it's way on the chain link...about 40' west of the red passion. My question is: Where do I put the Dutchman's Pipe? Am re-doing a butterfly garden on the opposite side of the yard (sun most of the day). Would it work as a 'backdrop to plants in front of it? And how much will crawl over the top of the fence? (My neighbor gets irritated with my plants..has been known to literally yank things that reach over the top.. they bother him when he's mowing!!!!!) whole 'nother story...anyway... I really don't know how big this will get, or how much space it needs.... Any input? please?

Comments (13)

  • 19 years ago

    I have a 4 yr old Calico vine that used to be eaten by cats during the summer. Either there is now too much vine or not enuff cats. My vine crawls on top of the fence and I have had to yank it down from the (behind) neighbor's bottlebrush. It has taken a left turn and is now on the (next to behind) neighbor's fence. I guess they like it. No one has pulled it down. It is also crawling into neighbor's ficus hedge. (to right)
    That said, I love the butterflies and the blooms on this plant, but it's work to keep it inbounds.

  • 19 years ago

    Mine is usually bare from the cats. I think it's best to plant it so that is wont show when it is bear. Mine is in the shade not sure how well it would do in the sun. I agree with coffeemom, the blooms are just the greatest!!

  • 19 years ago

    Mine i still in a pot also.I was wondering about chicken wire around a Sabal Palm. Anyone try this?

  • 19 years ago

    Beth ~ My three aristolochia are all stripped bare most of the time. I agree with putting it where it won't show. Although I have mine on my lattice by my front door. It grows like crazy during the winter and then is devoured as soon as the polydamas return.
    Goldenpond~ I put a plastic fencing on my sabal with tie wraps. I think the chickenwire would work better. I like my passion vines growing on the tree but without the mesh the squirrels would tear them off as they climbed the tree.
    Kat

  • 19 years ago

    I paid $25 for my pipevine and I said I'd never do THAT again. I've got a piece rooted to take over to the new yard. I've NO idea what I'm going to do with it OR a lot of my other plants. I've got a freaking million things to do before we make the actual move the first part of Aug.
    The wasps have been getting my caterpillars ;-(

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    Hope you have a better type of red passion vine than I have.lol Most invasive thing I've ever had. .Always grows in a straight line .if you clip the ends in sprouts twice.
    Will never bush out. Thinking of ripping the whole thing out but suspect It won't matter lol.Have no idea which type it is but seems immune to the caterpillars. and everything else for that matter..Hopefully others are more well behaved.. Does look well flowering in the palms lol gary

  • 19 years ago

    Yep, Gary..the red IS prolific..the one here was chopped to the ground and it's already coming back so we'll have to be clipping it all the time. The cats don't use it, either, but the flower is stunning. I'll bet it does look great with those red blooms up on the palms! Will take the advice of you folks regarding the dutchman's pipe and put it where it won't be a 'speciman' plant...hopefully the butterflies will love it and keep it in tow, for me...my main point in getting it is just for that purpose. Am thinking of planting it on the fence behind other things...like behind the penta or firebush.

  • 19 years ago

    About 8 years I started with stem with 1 leaf, now I have Pipevine everywhere and growing on everything. I think one thing to consider, other than it will get eaten by the caterpillars until it has established itself and that will take a couple of years, is that we have not had a hard freeze the last couple of winters. I know mine will get hit hard when we do. I lost most of the original vine this last winter when we had a frost, either that or it just gives out after so many years. If it is a Calico or elegans, then it is tropical so those of us in zone 9 can expect to lose it at some point.

  • 19 years ago

    As soon as mine get a few leaves they are covered with
    polydamas cats.
    I don't think there's enough for them to eat before they are stripped bare.
    I'm amazed the plants are even surviving.

  • 19 years ago

    Dang treefrog, I could've brought you an armload!

  • 19 years ago

    Ms Boston, don't be so sure your pipe is gone. My one pipe planted by a chainlink fence by trees seemed to have disappeared one winter. I found it a year or 2 later filling a treetop, a dozen flowers (through binoculars - darn - what a waste!). Now it also covers the tree tops mid-property next door. Cannot find where it was planted -wonder how long it will live....

  • 19 years ago

    It is really hard to tell when it is dead as far as the main branches as they get so knarly and corky to the touch. I don't ever trim my back cause I am never sure what is old wood and whats new. I have finally learned to scrap the wood and most of the time it is green underneath. This one section that I think died also was originally planted on my fenceline. Now there is a second fence up against mine and I can't get to the area to pull weeds (shucks!) so who knows if it got broken off at the bottom or not. I just know the top leaves got burnt from the frost we had. I am always scattering seed along the fenceline so it has started to fill in and as I said, I have tons of it everywhere else. It is a great vine for Polydamus Swallowtails and I love to watch them in the mornings. They nest up in my Crape Myrtles and between 9:00 and 9:20, they start flittering out of the trees.
    They chase each other around all morning and it is like a racetrack in the sky, trying to follow them. Just makes me smile!

  • 19 years ago

    Beth, the cape honeysuckle will get huge and overwhelm the coral honeysuckle. I would not put them on the same fence. The coral is much better for both butterflies and hummingbirds in my experience.

    My Dutchman's Pipe is huge. Much of the new vegetation is eaten by cats, but many cats and eggs are being eaten by wasps and lizards.

    If I had to do it over, I wouldn't plant the Elegans (often called Dutchman's pipevine.) I would plant the tomentosa. It allows both the pipevine swallowtails and the polydamas to grow to maturity. The Elegans only allows the Poldydamas to grow to maturity in my yard.

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