Sambucina is a good guess for your 'yucky' iris, but there are several sambucinas running about and I don't think anyone knows which is the original, if any are. Your peachy one is most likely Color Carnival. It is quite distinctive. Sure wish I knew what the one that throws color onto the standards is - that should be easy to ID, but I don't recall seeing it before.

Mike

I think the one that has color up in the standards mirroring the falls could be Loreley. That is common with that iris and the color patterns seem to be a match. It should be fairly easy to find photos of Loreley to compare with. Good luck.

I also think that may be Sambucina. Does it bloom late? In NE Mississippi it is one of my last iris to bloom.

Can't be Loreley - Loreley has yellow standards, not white. Maybe a child of Loreley though?

Mike

Some shorter older yellows are SISKIN,WARBLER, SOUTHLAND,AUREA. SOUTHLAND, SISKIN and WARBLER are all early bloomers. AUREA is late. Probably most resembles AUREA. Another one it resembles is ANTIGONE but that is of tall bearded height.
Laetitia

The little 'yucky' one is one of those early diploids that no one knows the name of anymore. Its pretty widespread, and a good tough grower that rarely rots. One of my perennial favorites. It has been referred to as SAMBUCINA but it is not really S. The true S has a scent like elder (I don't even know what that is, but it is supposed to be spicy, resinous or aromatic), but your iris has no scent.
Laetitia

Laetitia, I did not know SAMBUCINA had a scent. I will have to check my out when in blooms next year to see if I have the real deal. I have it from two sources and they are the same but of course both could be wrong. One source said that it had been on the family farm for several generations and that the name SAMBUCINA had been passed down to each generation, but the first generation could have started with the wrong name. Lee Mincy

Wow! thanks for all the excellent leads and suggestions. I'm 98% convinced that the peachy one is Color Carnival, the color, pattern, branching and flower size all look like a match. I'm really excited about that. This iris has really taken on a new life and really puts on a great show in my new garden.... much better than it did at the old site.

I'm ok with no name for the sister of Sambucina.... maybe I'll even call it that.... like I said it's starting to grow on me, even though the first time it bloomed I was awfully dissapointed.
But it does so well, and I like it's long (late blooming) season and numerous flowers.

I'm going to do some more googling for the names of the yellows. I bet there are a few for this one... it's not as distinct as the others.
Thanks again, appreciate the help!
Frank

Sorry, I didn't pick up on it that the standards are too white to be Loreley. Looking at it again I think even the form looks too good to be Loreley. ;-)

Thanks, Mike, for catching it. I guess I was too hasty... :-)

Linda

.....but I think I need to get a bit of Loreley now!

I guess my final post last night didn't make it.... I just wanted to add that I couldn't find several of the yellows, the only one I found was Aurea - the bloom on the HIPS site looked similar, but a photo elsewhere of "aurea" looked too short and standards too balloon-ish. Maybe the photo was miss identified?
But also my description was missleading, I said it was a shorter iris, but I ment it was a little shorter than the other tall beardeds.... it's still about 24-36 inches when blooming. It usually doesn't branch a whole lot either... if that helps.
....and the color is not lemony and not golden. If anything it might have a very very very tiny greenish tint.

Does that sound like Southland? The one picture I found of it looked lemony......

Kato:
When trying to match your iris to other pictures do not rely on the color. Photos do strange things to color, and an iris can look different in different situations,
As for SOUTHLAND, that is a SHORT iris. In real life, it is a clear yellow, sometimes showing a fleck or two of shading in the falls. If its not short, it does resemble ANTIGONE. I will include pictures here.

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Laetitia

Here is a photo of what SAMBUCINA looks like. But I can't discount that the other one is a form of S as well. SAMBUCINA refers to a collected hybrid. But who knows if this is one or two or many different ones.
I don't really understand the 'scent' issue but it is named after the elderberry because of it, so I would thnk if there is no scent it is not right. I wish I could say my S smells like elderberries but I don't know what elderberry smells like.
Laetitia

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I don't think mine is exactly Sambucina (interesting that I never made the connection between the name and the Sambucus scent before?).... here's another -not as clear- photo. Mine seems to have more streaking in the falls.

Actually as I look at it again there are several differences, the standards seem taller, the falls are more horizontal and the beards are not as showy. I think I like the named Sambucina better!

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As for the yellow, I might have to get a better picture next year. I'm really not sure. Thank you for including the photos of Antigone. Let me go look and see if I can find a picture........

I have one very similar to that. I received it from a source in WI and again from a lady in IN, but they are the same iris. I've often thought it is one of the Sambucina clones that are around, but it could be any number of other old irises. I love all the veining in the heart of it - really makes a great addition to the flower.

Mike

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I am going to have to remember to check my Sambucina next year. I have my from two sources and they are also the same but I don't think mine has that much light purple on the standards. I have also got to remember to check the scent. Lee Mincy

Mine is different depending on the light - sometimes a more buff tone comes out in the standards. It is slightly redder than the photo too, my camera is shifting it just slightly bluer than it really is.

Mike

Mike I think that's what I have. But the colors on mine are pretty close to what your picture shows -they're not any redder....
It's amazing how an iris like this can pop up across the country!

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I hope I'm not beating a dead horse with these ID's, I really appreciate you folks taking the time and effort to look at them.
(I don't want to scare you, but I have a few more that should be blooming next year that are also NOIDS!)