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Color developement in TB iris

20 years ago

Hi all you iris growers out there, a few weeks back I got some very good information and wanted to know your experience with such things.

Being my third year of seriously growing TB's of now over 350 count. I have noticed and been very disappointed at a few culitvars here and there that do not develope the special little touches of color, the joyful bit on the shoulders or the blue splash around the beard of a plum colored iris.(why I bought them) I got Keith Keppel's Pink Froth, beautiful form as a bonus (didn't view it till this year on the web.) mine was so light that I didn't even suspect it was to have a rose pink rimmed fall. And my Owhyee Desert was just white with no brown at all. My Lena Baker's rim is a soft brown but not deep maghogany, Point in time is just nothing really (got it out of my garden this year) an only a bit better is Conjuration. Instead of viberant as most pictures on the web and catalogs show. Like Aggressively Forward, is sickly yellow for me.

I know thru this forum from time to time comments about perhaps catalogs do a color retouch etc. but here is what I found.

Finally asking the question of Mr. Ernst at my first reginal, He said that magnesium put into the soil will help color development. Huh Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! One would think that mineral rich Mt. Shasta would be tops as far as color goes but maybe it comes in a form not avaliable to the iris, I could do a soil test, however, for now, I am seeking out, in what form to use magneisum, when to apply it and how? I had heard early on that there is a cheeper way to get Magneisum in the soil, Is that Epsomsalts????? I wonder if my soil needs something just to release the magnesium that may already be present? (again a soil test.)

I would really like to hear back about your named iris that do not have the color you expected and what you use, if anything, to develope color better? My deep darks and rusty reds and solid blues bold yellows do well. Its also sometimes the contrasting rimmings that don't always develope.

I would like to hear from all you serious iris growers, do you even have a problem like this......?

Thanks a bunch Janene

Comments (6)

  • 20 years ago

    I think some of the catalogs like Schreiners 'sometimes' depict an iris with more vivid color than real life. I am not accusing them of touch ups, but maybe with their professional photogs, they can capture the best lighting possible.
    However, it is only rarely that with my own iris I am disappointed because of a wash out in color. Many times, an iris will bloom and be even more vibrant or radiant than I ever thought it would be.
    I think that iris color is dependent on growing conditions. In my opinion (after going to the Fresno Ca convention in 2004) North East grown iris show more vivid coloration. Cold climates intensify depth of color.
    I don't know what you can do, as far as additives, to help the situation, but I am just letting you know what my observations are.
    Laetitia

  • 20 years ago

    You may want to wait and evaluate the blooms over a few seasons before deciding a course of action. I have noticed that some irises look very different after becoming established in a new home over a couple of years. It is possible that the colors will be more in line with their 'normal' tone with a little time. I never trust a first year bloom to be indicative of the overall variety's future performance. If you see the same lack of good tone over several seasons then you may have a mis-marked iris (if it is white when it should be brown) or a nutrient deficiency if the color is there, but not expressing as it should.

    Mike

  • 20 years ago

    I can second the climate effect. I didn't recognize an iris I've had for 10 years --- a cold spring enriched the colors beautifully.

    Owyhee Desert sounds like a mismark. Pink Froth looks like a plicata from 4 pics I've seen (with a very light fall rimmed in the standards' blue-pink color).

    Printed catalogs, as mentioned, can be way off on colors. It would be too expensive to produce top quality color printing. AND Pictures on the net can be quite off!! We were treated to pics of iris on the gallery this year by 2 people using Canon Rebels. Whoa. Made my pics look like dog meat.

    Lastly a monitor's calibration may be off. And viewing indoors with incandescent lighting is even different from daylight. I often lighten a picture to see how the iris will really appear. Oversaturation in digital pics. is common.

  • 20 years ago

    i know temps affects color greatly, the cooler your area, the more vibrant the color. i have been to schreiners many times and not once would a pic not look like what they are growing. cooleys catalog pics look off to me, from their garden and in real life...

  • 20 years ago

    Hummmmm, really thanks for the input. Anyone use mag. or something that developes color for them?
    Mike I have seen the ones I mentioned bloom for two years and it is sooooooooo true. They seem so much truer the second year.
    I forget that something coming into the garden may be miss labeled. But I don't think that is the case here. However when they are almost white with no marking what so ever it would be hard to tell. I think I should just experiment with magnesium and see, will let you all know how it goes.
    Would like to hear from some more folks on this color acheaving idea.
    Janene

  • 20 years ago

    I'd defintely would have to agree with weather conditions and establishment. When I first bought Cajun Rhythm, I was excited to have it, based on the picture I saw in Schreiner's catalogue. However, it's first year in bloom, the blossoms were almost white and no where near the vibrant orange it was supposed to be. When it bloomed again next year, the flower dramatically changed to the actual color as seen in the catalogue.

    Carlos
    http://www.brightonparkiris.com

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