This is only a guess, but could the first one be Tambourine?

Thanks for trying, Margo. It's a better guess than anyone else has come up with. Took a look at the pictures on the HL and it would appear as if Tambourine has a slightly wider margin. While I recognize that immature plants -which is what mine are- are typically narrower margined, take a look at the 3rd picture on HL, Paul Henjum's one, it looks to be just a single eye, with a margin quite a bit wider than mine. But more importantly, Tambourine has glossy leaves, the ones on mine are very much glaucous, not a hint of shine at any time.

Again, thanks for trying!

The first one looks very much like immature Torchlight. The red petioles fit, the leaf shape and coloration are right, and that's about the right width of edge color for younger plants.

The second plant seems to have a little bit of a tag sticking up marked "Flav", which would seem to indicate Tokudama Flavocircinalis. Although the potted plant doesn't look anything like the Hosta Library pictures, it wouldn't surprise me if this really is a Toku Flav--the immature plant is very similar to this, and it takes a couple of years before it will start to look like a mature plant in coloration and texture.

Thanks dhaven, Torchlight looks like a distinct possibility. And you're right, the second one indeed has a tag with Flavocircinalis on it, but that's only because that is what they are supposed to be, me has me doubts though. Flavo's margin however shows as green in all the pictures I have seen, this one's are light creamy in colour, almost white.

Thanks for the info, we'll keep digging for the second one.

I wonder if the second one might be a young Sagae! I only say that because the other day,
I spotted a hosta at a place called 'Jungle Jim's' outside of Cincinnati, and wondered what it was!
Turned out, it had a stick labelled 'Sagae'! There were several and I was amazed at the thick
petioles though the leaves were still fairly small--like yours! Just a guess!!! I'm sure time will tell
if it's a good one--the guess, that is! :o) 'Sagae' is definitely a good hosta!!!

Could it be Bob Deane? The thickness and waviness of the leaf reminded me of Bob Deane. I got this plant mid summer last year with the leaves cut off. It's really filled out this year and the shape is quite distinct. I know it's not the size it will be, it's more like a tiara right now. Here are some pictures.

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This pictures shows the color compared to Seafire and a silver/blue coral bells. It's fairly blue early but mine is in mid day sun.

hey-j thanks for piping up. I just this past Friday picked up a Sagae division and I can tell you it bears no resemblance whatever to the one in pictures 3 and 4. Sagae has a glossy leaf, these ones are glaucous. Now, Myrle however may be on to something with 'Bob Deane' yet I'm not so sure. Both Myrle's pictures and the ones on HL show a plant that leans more towards the green side, mine's more towards blue and none of the pictures of BD I have seen show a real glaucous leaf. Dull: yes, glaucous: no. I have 2 of them, neither has flowered as yet, matter of fact I don't think I've seen a scape develop as yet, but if and when they do flower the colour of the inflorescence will provide additional clues.

Thank you both for your input!

Hi Pieter,

Check out Crusader for the first one (very common with some distinct characteristics that match yours), Heartsong or a really young Aristocrat for the second.

Chris

Hey Chris,

Looking at the pictures on HL, Crusader is a very strong candidate, thank you.

For the 2nd one Aristocrat has a much wider margin than mine plus they would appear to start out on the green side and I don't recall mine being green to start with. Then again, while I may have a photographic memory, sometimes there's no film in the camera :-)

Heartsong I keep going back to, but it isn't quite a match I feel. The flowers will help, but I may not see those this year on this one, the 1st one has a scape with buds, so I may solve the mystery of that one first.

BTW, both of these are pretty much in full sun, certainly during the bright parts from about 9AM to 6-7PM.

Aristocrat can have a pencil thin margin for the first 3 to 5 years. Only as they get mature will the margins start to get wider. This one will probably take longer to ID.

To go with Chris' guess of Crusader, here is a pic of mine from spring. I just checked and the margins are more white now and it has blooms though not opened as of yet.

Chris and shade_tolerant, I saw flowers open on #1 tonight but I didn't have a chance to take a picture and I must admit I forget what they look like just now. So I'll have to try tomorrow night and compare them with what's on HL.

Not knowing much about Crusader, how vigorous a grower is it, the two I have have been quite vigorous, doubling in size from last year.

Heartsong/Aristocrat, how vigorous are they? The one I have as you can see is just a single shoot/eye and so far I see no evidence of a second flush of leaves, flower scapes or additional offsets. It's new for me this year and was a dry, bare root. Looking at some picture from early May, the edge on this one has always been creamy.

You know, it's funny, both suggestions for #1 which I felt have merit are Lachman breedings and both have Halcyon in them - no wonder the leaves are so glaucous. While Torchlight has darker, denser red pets that go further up than what I see on mine, I have been unable to determine whether or not there's any red on Crusader's pets. Who can tell me please, it sure looks like the most likely candidate at this juncture....

What about Frosted Dimples for the second one?

My guess for the second is either American Halo or El Nino. When young, both have very thin cream margins, and, of course, both are glaucous blue. The Hosta Library shows mature plants, so not much to go on there.

Andrea, thanks for trying. From as near as I can tell from the HL pics, Frosted Dimples margin turns dark creamy, almost green by season's end. This one's mostly light cream and I don't think the colour's quite right either.

Evermore, AH is dark green by the looks of it, not blue, at least to my eyes and according to descriptions I've seen. El Nino might fit, except it would seem the scape is rather purplish and I would think therefor the lower parts at least of the pets would be reddish/purplish as well. Mine has none of that on the pets and I don't think I'll see flowers on it this year. Thanks for trying though!

As Chris suggested already, #2 may well take a couple of years or more to properly identify.

Hmmm...the margin on mine isn't green..it's definitely light cream.

Dragging up an oldie here for the sake of continuance, seeing as the identity of both NOIDS is still a question mark.

The first one is growing nicely this year, they're still in #1 pots but getting crowded, and most divisions now show a nice cupping to the leaves, there was nary a hint of that last year. This is what they look like this year:

and here's another shot..... there are no visible scapes as yet..

The other one however is putting up scapes...

Any further thoughts?