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Tomatoes for Canning and Drying

16 years ago

This thread is in response to questions on another tomato thread about growing tomatoes for canning as canned tomatoes and sauce and for dehydrating. I chose to answer this one in its own thread so the info will be easier to find later in forum searches.

I hope the others of you who can/dehydrate tomatoes and who make canned tomatoes, sauce and salsa will describe for the original poster (Laspasturas on the Tomato List thread) which tomatoes you use for canning and drying and how many plants you plant in order to get the vast quantities needed to make canned tomatoes, sauce, salsa and 'sun-dried' tomatoes, without the sun, of course.

ROMA/PASTE/PLUM TYPES VS. STANDARD SLICER/BEEFSTEAK TYPES; There is a common misconception that you 'must' or 'should' use paste-type tomatoes because they are meatier and cook down more quickly. While that is true, their flavor is pretty bland compared to many of the amazing heirloom tomatoes available, and a lot of the hybrids that are good for fresh eating are also good for cooking.

I generally mix together both paste types and slicing types when I'm making sauce, canned tomatoes or salsa. If I have the right amounts, I'll use a 50-50 blend but I also make batches that are 100% heirloom tomatoes. My all-time favorite tomato sauce is one that's a blend of Black Krim, True Black Brandywine, Indian Stripe, Cherokee Purple and and other black or purple or pink heirloom toms. The flavor is indescribeably good.

The type of tomato is least important if you are making salsa because your stronger flavor is going to come from your peppers. I'll use all paste/plum types in salsa if I have them because they are fairly irrelevant--they are just the 'base' for the stronger flavor from the peppers, onions, tomatotilloes (if used), etc. and if you're making fresh salsa (as opposed to canned salsa), the salsa from all paste/plum types is less watery.

I grow a lot of tomato plants every year and harvest a huge amount of tomatoes and I still worry I won't have enough to do all the sauce, salsa, canned tomatoes, etc. that I want to put up. I was wanting to quantify the amount of tomatoes needed, so pulled some numbers from the NHCFP website to detail how many lbs. of tomatoes it takes to complete a batch or sauce or canned tomatoes. (It always takes more than you think it will.) Here goes;

One bushel basket of tomatoes = approx. 53 lbs.

FOR CRUSHED TOMATOES (no added liquid): approximately 22 lbs. of tomatoes will give you a canner load of 7 quarts, or 14 lbs. will give you a canner load of 9 pints.

So, if you use approximately 2 & 3/4 lbs. per quart, you'll get 17 to 20 quarts of crushed tomatoes from a bushel basket of tomatoes.

FOR SPAGHETTI SAUCE (with or without meat):

30 lbs. of tomatoes will give you a canner load of 9 pints.

FOR WHOLE TOMATOES OR TOMATO HALVES CANNED (if packed in water):

21 lbs. will give you a canner load of 7 quarts, or

13 lbs. will give you a canner load of 9 pints.

so if you average about 3 lbs. of fresh toms per canned quart, a bushel will give you from 16-20 quarts.

FOR A THIN TOMATO SAUCE:

35 lbs. of tomatoes will give you a canner load of 7 quarts

or

21 lbs. of tomatoes will give you a canner load of 9 pints.

FOR A THICK TOMATO SAUCE:

46 lbs. will give you a canner load of 7 quarts

or

28 lbs. will give you a canner load of 9 pints.

So, one bushel of tomatoes will give you from about 7 to 9 quarts of thick sauce.

DRYING TOMATOES: Since tomatoes are mostly water, they dehydrate down to almost nothing. If you start out with 14 lbs. of fresh tomatoes, you'll end up with about 1/2 lb of dried tomatoes if you are drying them down to the proper moisture level. For storage purposes, that 1/2 lb. will take up 2 & 1/2 to 3 pints worth of storage space.

You can dehydrate any tomato you choose.

I started out with Principe Borghese which is the classic Italian variety used for sun-dried tomatoes. In most parts of Oklahoma, we cannot pull up the plant, roots and all, and hang it from the barn rafters to dry. (However, I have done that and fairly successfully in a summer with severe drought conditions that gave us incredibly low humidity and literally no moisture from the sky for most of the summer.) I suspect some places in western OK have low enough humidity and rainfall to dry tomatoes on the pulled-up plant in an average year, but not in a rainy year.

Most of us, though, will have to dry our tomatoes using a dehydrator or a convection oven set to the "Dehydrate" mode if it has one.

The larger the tomato and the higher its water content as a fresh tomato, the longer it will take to dry. You can dry any tomato. One key to success is to cut larger tomatoes to the proper size and to a uniform size so all the tomatoes or tomato pieces dry at about the same rate.

If you want classic sun-dried tomatoes in the Italian style, use paste or plum types like Principe Borghese, any of the San Marzano types (I like San Marzano Redorta of all the SM types I've grown and dried), Viva Italia, Amish Paste, Aunt Mary's Paste, Jersey Devil or Martino's Roma (an especially heavy producer). The heaviest-producing paste tomato I've ever grown was Burpee's Big Mama which produced millions of tomatoes on 6' to 8' tall plants that looked like crap with every foliar disease you can imagine but just kept pumping out tomatoes for months. The flavor of them fresh was only average, but somewhat better when dried (drying intensifies the flavor) and especially if marinated or if you add spices while drying.

CREATING TOMATO RAISINS: You might have noticed on my grow list that I grow an inordinate amount of small, bite-sized cherry, currant, grape and plum-shaped tomatoes. I love them because they are very versatile. Since I garden organically, I can pluck them from the plants and eat handfuls while working in the garden. Sometimes I'll put in a very busy day in the garden and I'll go outside right after breakfast and not really stop working long enough to eat a meal until after sunset, but that's OK--I survive on oodles of tomatoes and glasses of tea, gatorade and water flavored with Crystal Lite. You can toss handfuls of bite-sized tomatoes into salads and, of course, you can dehydrate them.

I dehydrate them in batches ranging from 300 or 400 to about 900 at a time. I've never kept track of how many I dehydrate in a given year, but clearly thousands. After they are dehydrated, I pack them into zip-lock freezer bags and store them in the freezer. You don't have to store them in the freezer if you dehydrate them down to the proper moisture level, but I have the space so I do it.

To eat them, you can toss handfuls of them into salads, soups, stews, meat loaf, casseroles, etc. straight from the bag. You can eat them straight out of the bag in their somewhat raisin-like dehydrated state, or you can put a handful of dried bite-sized tomatoes into a cup, add water and let them rehydrate for a few minutes before you eat them fresh as a snack or tossed into a salad.

Calculating how many tomato plants you'll need is the hardest part and it is almost impossible to do it with plants that are 'new to you' because you have no idea how many tomatoes to expect from a given variety. It also would vary depending on how much sauce or canned tomatoes you want to put up.

For example, if you want to have enough canned tomatoes (or sauce or salsa or all of them) to last until the next year's harvest, you have to figure out how many times a week or month you want to use those products, and then figure out how many bushels it would take to make that many pints or quarts, and then figure out how many plants it will take to give you that many bushels. I don't do all those calculations...instead, I just guess, but I have endless space (as long as I am willing to improve the soil which is horrid red clay and fence it in to keep the deer and rabbits from eating the plants) and when I run out of space, I plant in containers.

I generally plant between 100 and 140 plants in the spring planting and then maybe another 40 more for the fall garden. Of 100 plants, at least 20 or 25 will be the plants that produce bite-sized tomatoes so that I will be able to dehydrate tons and tons of them AND have all we want to eat fresh during the growing season. (I eat tomatoes all day long....at every meal and as snacks when I have fresh ones.) Another 30 plants will be those intended mostly for canning, and the rest are either slicers or beefsteaks or 'new to me' which I classify in my head as 'experimentals' and I don't expect big yields from them the first year, although I am thrilled if I get big yields.

During the recent droughts experienced in Love County (most recently from August 2007 through April 2009, and before that in 2005-2006, and before that in 2003), my plants weren't producing enough for me to can/dry/eat fresh (and freeze!) and I was growing mostly heirlooms because of their unique flavors. In order to get larger harvests, I have dropped some heirlooms that are poorer producers in our heat and have added some hybrids that are very heavy producers (notably Jetstar, Ramapo, Supersonic, Moreton, Prime Time, Scarlet Red and Red Defender) and that has enabled me to can, freeze, and dry pretty much all I want in addition to having all we want/need for fresh eating from April through November or December.

I don't keep written records, but from memory, I think I "put up" the following from the 2009 garden;

Dehydrated bite-sized tomatoes; approximately 5 or 6 gallons. (I dehydrated a lot more, but I eat handfuls of them as soon as they come out of the oven so a lot of them never make it out of the kitchen and into the freezer.)

Canned As Salsa: approximately 65 pints

Canned As Multi-purpose Sauce: 12 pints

Frozen As Tomato Puree OR Whole Tomatoes: approx. 30 quarts. (This was not enough. I cook with them a lot and need at least 45 quarts.)

That sounds like a lot, and it was, but we also ate fresh tomatoes from April or May (seems like last year's first ripe toms were late and may have been in May instead of the usual April) through December virtually daily, and I made a batch of sauce almost weekly, which uses up a lot of tomatoes.

I hope this info is helpful.

Depending on what the weather does, I'm hoping for 160 plants this year and I want to be able to make our own catsup and barbeque sauces without cutting back on how many we eat fresh.

Remember, though, that this is Oklahoma and our success or lack of such success with tomatoes in any given growing season is highly dependent on the weather...which is difficult at best and horrid at other times.

Finally, this is a really long thread but I have to add two lines from the chorus of a wonderful song, and it is this:

"There's only two things that money can't buy,

That's true love and home grown tomatoes."

Dawn

Comments (10)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    wow that is quite alot of work! This past summer I planted 95 toms, 10 of which were cherries. I will be honest and say it was my first time ever growing a tomato so I wasnt sure if any would actually live and produce (survive me). So I figured if I lost 90% of my crop I would still be able to have fresh tomatoes with the remaining 10% during the summer (I put alot of faith in myself as a gardener planning for crop failure hugh? HAHAHA). But it turned out to be a great year and I was able to put up 14 quarts of speg sauce, 30 pints of salsa (the salsa was gone by December so this summer I will try to tripple that) 15 quarts of canned toms and 15 quarts of what I call "Soup Starter". Soup Starter is basically watery salsa that i use in a pinch for the base of my soups in winter. Plus we had fresh toms every day.

    Dawn, It didnt sound like you slice your cherry toms for drying. I think I might try that as they would be closer to the same size for drying. I had 10 cherry tom plants but they produced so many I quickly learned you cant just make a whole batch of speg sauce from cherries...... TOO MANY SEEDS!!!! Hahaha so I tried to slice them into 3rds and dry them using my dehydrator, but the ends didnt dry as fast as the middle 3rd of the cherry toms. So it wasnt a success. I had thought I would only plant two cherry toms this year for the reason I coundt figure out a way to 'put up' the cherries. But if that worked for you then I will plant my 10 and give it another try this summer drying them whole.

    Thanks!

    Danni Girl

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Dawn - you wear me out just reading all that.........I am amazed at all you do and yet you still take the time to keep the rest of us informed and entertained. Thank you for being you.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Wow--it looks like I have some math to do. This thread is going to be so helpful! Thanks again, Dawn.

    It's nice to know that I don't have to rely on some of the less tasty paste tomatoes for all of my canning. I love black tomatoes, and your sauce sounds incredible! I'm also growing green and purple tomatillos so that I can try to make some interesting looking sauces and salsas. We eat a ton of canned tomatoes throughout the year, so I may have to supplement mine with some from the farmer's market for canning. Danni--I'm planning for crop failures, too! Over half of the varieties I have are ones that I've never grown before. I'm trying not to get my hopes up so that I'm not disappointed if only a few survive (it's not working...).

    A large number of my varieties are cherries and currants because I eat massive amounts of them all summer long. I'd never thought of drying them, but it is a genius idea. They will be so good (and easy!) to throw into salads and pastas for easy meals. We bought an Excalibur dehydrator last year, but summer got to be so busy that we didn't get to try any tomatoes. This year, I'm going to put it to work!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Danni girl, I'm so glad you had such a great harvest and were able to put up so many tomatoes. That is just wonderful, and especially in a year with such challenging weather.

    I do slice the bite-sized tomatoes in half, but I leave the two halves attached to one another by a thin piece of skin so I only have to pick up and move half as many from the cutting board to the cookie sheet.

    For years I processed tomatoes the hard way and then, finally, last summer I broke down and purchased a Roma/Villaware strainer. I should have bought one 20 years ago. It is AMAZING how quickly it removes all the skins and seeds. I always thought of a strainer as a 'frivolous' purchase, but it saved me tons and tons of time.

    I don't understand why your dehydrator isn't drying the tomatoes more evenly. Is it on a fixed temperature or can you change it?

    Farmgardener, You're welcome. 'Me' is the only person I know how to be, and it is getting scarey. I am turning into my grandmother. (My mom didn't garden or can.) I like to think that my mammaw would be proud of the gardener and food preserver I've become. I still can't grow strawberries here in our clay like she could grow in her sandier soil, though.

    I like knowing where our food came from and how it was grown and processed. I like knowing I don't put chemicals on it. I like knowing it isn't contaminated by salmonella or e. coli and I especially like knowing our food traveled 100' from the garden to the house, and not 1500 miles across the country.

    And I like freaking out people who say things like "you grew it yourself?" or "you make your own pickles ( or salsa or jelly or whaever)". I don't even mind when they tell me that I'm a 'dying breed' and that the home food growing and preservation arts are becoming a "lost art". I, by the way, do not agree with that. I see both edible gardening and home food preservation coming back into vogue again.

    See, some of us have been doing all this food raising/food preserving for so long that we're back in style. LOL

    Megan,

    As you can imagine, it took me a while to type it up but I wanted to be as thorough as possible. I used to help my dad can his tomatoes and salsa in the 1970s (I was just a kid) so I knew it took oodles of tomatoes to boil down into a sauce and still, the very first time I turned 40 or 50 pounds of fresh tomatoes into canned sauce, I was shocked at how relatively little sauce I had to show for all that work and all those tomatoes!

    I had dabbled with dried tomatoes for a few years before a friend of mine here in Oklahoma conviced me to get more serious about it, and now I'm hooked on it. With the comvection oven, I can dry six cookie sheets of tomatoes at once.

    Finally y'all, I ought to stress that the garden and the processing of all the produce is possible only because I'm a stay-at-home wife/mom whose child is an adult and can take care of himself. I could NEVER do everything I do if I worked at a paying job or if I had young children, with young being anyone under at least the age of 16. Once they can drive themselves places, parents regain a certain amount of their freedom.

    Even though I do things on a larger scale, lots of folks here also raise enough tomatoes and other veggies to can them and freeze them and put them up for the non-gardening season.

    Sometimes on long, hot days when I've been in the kitchen seemingly all day, I get tired and frustrated because it seems like 'it's never gonna end'. Then, after the last freeze hits and the growing season is basically over, I feel really sad like 'I can't believe it is over'. And, of course, in the winter time, that's the real payoff...when you can do your 'grocery shopping' from the pantry, the freezer and the root cellar.

    Dawn

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have a question for you Dawn... When do you start your tomato seeds for your Fall garden, and when do you transplant them into your garden? Or do you just plant the seed directly into the ground?

    Jennie

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Jennie,

    It varies, depending on what the weather is doing. I like to start them sometime in May for transplanting in late June but sometimes I'm so late putting in the spring garden that I don't start them until early June and then transplant in July.

    I raise them outside in full sun so that they are hardened off from the minute the sprout, and I'll transplant them when they're only 3 or 4 weeks if I can because the heat is so brutal on seedlings. You probably could direct seed, but I don't.

    Some years I put in a lot of fresh plants for fall and sometimes I don't. I like to use some of the better heat setters for fall as well as some longkeeper types.

    Some years I replace all the spring tomatoes....gradually as they play out in the heat, and other times I keep the spring tomatoes and put the fall tomatoes in a bed that held a cool-season crop like onions or broccoli.

    Some years, I start new plants using cuttings from the existing ones.....that's if I don't mind 'repeating' with the same varieties instead of growing different ones.

    I'm pretty flexible on fall tomatoes. If the spring tomatoes are doing great, I don't necessarily put in a lot for fall. I think I only added a couple dozen new ones for last fall because the spring tomatoes were producing exceptionally well.

    Sometimes a lot of the plants raised for fall just end up on the compost heap and I know that sounds wasteful but here in southern OK you can't give away tomato plants in June or July. The people who are serious about growing tomatoes already have a garden full and don't 'think' they need more, and the newer gardeners are already realizing the heat is brutal, are feeling overwhelmed and have given up on gardening. At least the compost pile appreciates being fed unused seedlings....and sometimes the deer or rabbits eat them right off the pile, but at least they'll return the plants to the pasture in the form of manure.

    Dawn

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks Dawn! This is exactly what I was asking about on the tomato growing forum when I asked how many plants I should plant.
    Sounds like my initial estimate of at least 50-75 plants is in the ballpark, low if anything. We use a large amount of canned,stewed or diced tomatoes so I will want to replace those storebought (about 3-4 pints or more/week) with home grown, plus the other ideas such as prepared sauce for pizza/spaghetti, and salsas as well.
    I love your "craisin" idea. I wasn't sure if that would work and I thought I may have planted an inordinate amount of cherry/grape tomatoes but they seem to do well here in Phoenix and so I figured I could always dehydrate them. That will be the plan. Now if Matt's Wild Cherry really does take over the backyard we know what to do with him!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Tracy,

    You're welcome. Hope the info is helpful.

    I am sure you know, of course, that your results may vary because you're growing in an even more difficult climate than ours here in Oklahoma.

    The brutal July and August heat here is one reason that I grow so many bite-sized tomatoes (grape, cherry, currant and pear-shaped ones). Even if the heat shuts down production of the plants that produce larger tomatoes, the tomatoes that produce small fruit just keep on going...just like the Energizer bunny.

    Let Matt's Wild Cherry take over the backyard...at least he'll provide you with some shade!

    I've linked the website of the National Center for Home Food Preservation for you below. (I can't remember if I linked it earlier in this thread.) If you go to the tomato section, you can see how many lbs. of tomatoes are recommended for each recipe and that might help you figure out how many tomatoes you need to harvest in order to can a batch of "whatever".

    Happy growing and food preserving,

    Dawn

    Here is a link that might be useful: National Center for Home Food Preservation

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Dawn - thanks bunches for all the good info. I've just been putting up tomatoes for a couple of years, and never seem to have enough to last through the winter. Last year was a good year for drying tomatoes, though. We store them in the freezer, too. I'd hate to lose any - they are so good! I've only dried the principe borghese and the smallish romas, but I may branch out to trying some larger ones this year. In fact, I think I'm out of principe borghese seeds, so I may have to do others out of necessity. Haven't started my seeds yet, but it's time!

    Carol

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Carol,

    You're welcome.

    I don't think I've ever put up enough tomatoes that I don't run out before the new crop starts producing. Maybe it is just that if I put up more, we use more because we know we've got them. Today I took tomatoes, peppers and onions out of the freezer to make soup, and I was anxiously counting containers of frozen tomatoes and trying to estimate how much longer they'll last. (You know that the answer is 'not long enough'.)

    It certainly is seed-starting time. I was watering my precious babies a couple of hours ago and talking to them and promising them sunshine and fresh air in another couple of weeks. They are tiny, and only have their first true leaves but they are green and alive and they smell like tomato plants, so it almost seems like spring.

    I hope you have a great tomato year this year.

    Dawn