A quick Google search told me the latin name is Aristolochia tomentosa. A search of that offered lots of options, but the easiest "read" and the best price was at the site I've linked below. Yes, you can grow fron seeds. And they'll come back! Maybe you'll have some to share at next year's swap?!?

You might also check with a local garden center.

Paula

Here is a link that might be useful: Dutchman's Pipe

I'm not sure tomentosa is very easy to start from seed, takes cold stratification I think. I'd like to have one as well since they are big. Definitely on my wish list.

You have to be careful getting non-native pipevines because some of them are too toxic. The females think they are OK and lay the eggs, but the plant kills the cats. But if you want to try a non-native, the pipevine the Texas Discovery Garden uses is A. fimbriata which the females love and it's commercially available and hardy I think to zone 7. The problem is it's not a very big plant and Pipevine swallowtails, (unlike other BF's) lay a cluster of eggs on one plant and they get eaten down to the ground because they end up just swarming with cats. They do come back from that though. I don't think fimbriata is particularly easy to germinate either but I don't think they require cold strat but I'm not 100% on that. I got mine by buying it a native plant sales.

Teri

Missouri Wildflower Nursery has aristolochia tomentosa for 4.75 a quart

I think Marilyn with Wild Things Nursery might have them as well.

http://www.wildthingsnursery.com/

Hopefully Susan will swing through here, she is always the one I look to for butterfly info!

Lisa

Here is a link that might be useful: Missouri Wildflower Nursery

Mail Order Natives has a gallon size for $8.00.

Here is a link that might be useful: Mail Order Natives / vines

Good sources, Lisa!

I might add that Marilyn only sells at Farmer's Markets, but if you check her website (wildthingsnursery.com) you will find her schedule on the first page. She is located in Seminole, Oklahoma, and travels to most FMs in the Tulsa and OKC area. You should e-mail or call her ahead of time to make sure she brings some for you. I think she also has Birthwort now, too, or Aristolochia clematitis, which is a groundcover rather than a vine.

Also native to Oklahoma are two other pipevines, A. serpentaria and A. macrophylla. Serpentaria is a ground cover as well, and macrophylla is a vine with large, heart-shaped leaves.

Keep in mind that whatever you order on line is probably going to be a small plant, and may take awhile to establish and grow.

I hope you're growing it for the Pipevine Swallowtails because they will devour it. They don't kill the vine, though. It always grows back.

Susan

Here is a link that might be useful: Mail Order Natives

Didn't see there was already a link!

You can get seeds and either winter sow them this next year, too!

I'll give you a link to Wild Things. She sells A. macrophylla and not clematitis, sorry. A. clematitis is not native, but pipevines use it.

The only pipevine that is toxic to the caterpillars of the pipevine butterflies is A. elegans. It is a tropical species, though, and not hardy in Oklahoma.

Susan`

Here is a link that might be useful: Wild Things Nursery

Susan, TLC on Memorial in OKC had a "dutchman's pipe" on sale a year or two ago, but after I bought it, I returned it because I was afraid it was the wrong kind. If we could id it specifically, and it was okay, they were huge!

Lisa

Hi Lisa! I'm not Susan, but I have seen the huge Aristolochia that TLC has carried in the past. It is not the native, but the A. Elegans. It is TOXIC for the beautiful Pipevine St. cats, so do not waste your money on it. When I asked them why they didn't carry the "Native" pipevine, that would not kill our native PV cats,she said that there was not enough demand for it!!!

I would check with Marilyn about getting some macrophylla, or she may have some tomentosa plants. They're just now starting to put out leaves.

I had alot of serpentaria, but I am afraid that I had alot of die out this winter with the cold, dry winter that we had. There is a gentleman, Rod in Nebraska that sells the serpentaria bare roots in the spring and fall. He is very kind, fair, and reasonable. They do best in protected morning sun areas, well mulched. They will need to be protected from caterpillars for the 1st year. E-mail me if you would like his e-mail address, and prices. Tell him Linda from Ok. referred you.
kandls@pldi.net

Good to visit with you, Lisa. Good luck Ksokiegonnab. Terri, I've not had any luck finding the fimbriata plants.

Hi Linda!!! It's great to see you! I was afraid it was the elegans. Darn it. It would have given us a three year head start!

I've been enjoying butterfly gardening. Thank you for your help too. I couldn't have done without yours and Susan's patience and knowledge!

Lisa

I believe that Lazy S's Farm carries A. fimbriata, Linda. I love this place, but the S&H costs have skyrocketed and I can't afford to order from her anymore. They are great people, though. Same goes for Plant Delights who also carries it.

The best price for the A. tomentosa seems to be the site that Lisa referred to - Missouri Wildflowers. I don't know anything about them, though. I would note that you have to order via e-mail or phone, or snail mail.

Susan

Linda, good to see you on the forum. My serpentaria is not up yet, so I hope the -22 degrees didn't kill it. I would think that coming from Nebraska, it would make it.

The tomentosa is blooming. It is not difficult to grow from seed, you just have to have patience and startify the seed. I have seed germinating right now that I collected from my plants year before last.

ksOkie-- if you are ever in the Tulsa area, I have Tomentosa plants. I don't have a lot, but I have some quarts with growing vines (green). I am in the process of liquidating all my inventory. Groggs Green Barn is a new nursery in Tulsa that is specializing in natives. Don't think we need more than one source!!

Email me at sandysgarden at olp dot net.

Sandy

I think my tomentosa bit the dust, Sandy! My macrophyllas is leafing out, no sign yet of clematitis or serpentaria. The dry winter may have done it in. Last year, the little vultures (PVS cats) devoured the seedlings even, that had sprouted beneath around the stems. Are you surprised?

Susan

Lisa, I always love you garden pics. Have a great Bf season. I do hope that we get some rain. Ugg!

Sandy, your tomentosa is blooming??? Mine is just growing leaves. I have a couple of clematitis that survived, but no serpentaria coming up. I'm sure that it can take the cold, but I'm not sure that it could take the DRY cold. I couldn't get out and water before the really cold set in. So you are liquidating???? It really is alot of work, and time consuming, but you did a great job!

Thanks for the information on the fimbriata, Susan. I don't know if they would be any hardier than the serpentaria or clematitis? Especially if it is going to be a hot, dry summer.

Thanks for reminding me to go check my aristolochia...I have two that are leafing out.

As usual, I'm more concerned about my passion vines. I had one that stayed nicely green all winter until the giant blast of super cold. It succumbed then. It took half the summer for any vines to show up last year.

Lisa

I have ordered from Missouri Wildflowers...I was happy with the order. I think I called in my order.

Lisa

Hi all. Just wanted to talk up Missouri Wildflowers. I've ordered from them, as well as bought many plants from him during the Tulsa Audubon Habitat Garden tours. The plants I received mail-order were packed well and healthy. And, one time I emailed him with a question about a plant I'd bought from him and got a very helpful response. They're good people. Also, I understand that the nursery that Sandy mentioned, Grogg's Green Barn, will carry plants from Missouri Wildflowers, so they may have, or be able to get, the native DP. Reading this thread reminds me that I need to check tomorrow to see if my DP is showing any sign of life. I did notice that my blue passionvine (P.caerulea) had sprouted a few leaves, so it seems to have made it through our cold and dry winter, which I didn't expect!
Carol

Carol, thanks for the info on Missouri Wildflowers. Have yet to see life from my passion vines, but since my P. 'Lavender Lady' made it thru last year's winter, it should this one, too. Like Lisa said, it was very, very late, though. I planted the P. incarnata - the native - last year, and hope it will survive, but Sandy's survives up in Broken Arrow, so it should survive here, too.

Carol, I have never been able to get P. caerulea to survive and have planted it on 2 separate occasions, so kudos to you! I have purchased the Blue Crown from Precure at 63rd & Meridian both times. They get huge but never come back from the roots the following year.

Linda, this is probably not going to be the best year to try to establish anything new in the garden, and A. fimbriata is only hardy to zone 7. If you had a area you could grow it with some protection, that might work best. I hope my A. clematitis made it.

Carol, do you have any False Nettle? If you were closer I would give you a start of it, too. The Red Admirals use it as an LHP. Native Cassias, like the Partridge Pea, or Wild Senna, are great, too, for the Sleepy Oranges and Cloudless Sulphurs.

Susan

Susan, is your false nettle up yet? I was out looking for mine and didn't see any sign of it yet.

Lisa

Susan, your A clematitis should make it. Mine is sprouting out of the ground right now. It looks like a good year for pipevines. However, I haven't seen anything from the serpentaria. I think it's just late. Mine is well mulched, and the soil doesn't ever totally dry out. The area gets lots of leaf cover in the winter.

Both Asclepias variegata are returning with more stems!! Yes!! Now, for some pollination when they bloom. I put the directions in my favorites on my computer so they'd be available. I also have Syriaca, Davis, Hall's, Sullivan's, and Purple coming up. These are seeds that I stratified and have germinated. The Davis and Hall's came from Georgiavines--so something I've gotten from her did come up.

Linda, fimbriata is easy to grow from seed, but is temperamental about coming back up the following year. It doesn't require stratification. I think in your location, you'd have better luck with it than I have. Usually someone on the BF forum has seeds if you put in a request. I think I'm out, but I'll check. Trilobata is another very easy to grow pipevine with a split leaf. It grows well in Texas, but needs winter protection here. I had some growing in my greenhouse, but lost everything when the snows collapsed it. This winter was hard. I'm surprised at how many of my outdoor plants actually made it through our -22 degrees!

Sandy

Susan, I don't have any false nettle, and I will be closer to you - briefly - on April 30, for the spring fling. hint, hint

Today was one of those days that didn't let me out into the garden, so I still don't know if our pipevine is showing signs of life.

You all have a great night!
Carol

I'll be happy to give you a gallon pot of it, Carol! It is a plant that can take some shade here in Oklahoma, or full sun if well watered. I prefer the False Nettle over the regular Nettle because it does not have the stinging hairs. It is very easy to grow IMHO. These are the kind of plants that you just won't find in a garden nursery, so we pass them around between us butterfly gardener's, or get them usually from Marilyn at Wild Things. That's who I got my FN from in the beginning.

Lisa, mine is up about 5" now. But I wouldn't despair yet. If it doesn't come up, though, I can share some more with you, too!

Susan