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Lawn Seed Selection

18 years ago

I'm enthusiastic so far in the organic approach to lawn care and I thank the posters on this forum for their valuable information. I'm getting good results, but this fall is the first time I've used feed grains for fertilizer. A long way to go. I'm already thinking about my approach to improving the lawn next fall. I can't find comparative pictures of lawns and I'm somewhat overwhelmed by the types and varieties of lawn seed. My lawn is in Northern Virginia. I used Lesco Transition TTTF this fall and for this area and my particular situation I'm convinced that a TTTF is a good choice. I'd like to add some (10-15%) KBG just for its ability to spread and thicken up the turf. There is a VA and MD Turfgrass variety work group that publishes a recommended list every year of seeds. Some are very high on the NTEP lists and some aren't, but my assumption is that the listed seeds have done well at both University of Maryland and Virginia Tech turf trials and would be satisfactory for my lawn. Here are my questions and I'd appreciate any feedback:

- How important is the elite variety(ies) of KBG cultivar?

- Will an organic approach improve the results of lesser rated cultivars such that finding and paying for the elite cultivars isn't really necessary? Or, does the old adage you get what you pay for apply here as well? For instance, Lesco uses Shamrock KBG in their mixes, but that isn't on the recommended list. I can locally find KBG cultivars that are on the list and just mix with the TTTF.

- Would the NTEP ratings be significantly different under a real world organic approach?

- Do mixes of TTTF/TTPR/KBG perform as well or better than single variety meaning the diversity of variety types is a healthier more productive lawn?

- What I think I've learned from this forum is that the process (mulch, water, feed the soil) is more important. Common sense tells me that the better quality of seed I start with the better off my lawn will be. Does this seem reasonable?

Comments (12)

  • 18 years ago

    Let's talk about seed purity for a moment. There are two seeds you really need to be wary of: bermuda and bent. Unless you want a bermuda or bent lawn, these are considered very aggressive weeds. The really bad thing about them is that their seed is the size of dust while "real" grass seed is more like seed sized. When you have contamination of TTTF seed with bent seed, it does not take very much bent grass seed dust to over shadow the TTTF seed in actual seed count. When they make the seed bag or box labels, they measure by weight. So when you see a box labeled 99.9% TTTF (whatever variety) with 0.10% Weed (or Other Crop), you could be buying a bag full of bentgrass seed simply because the weight of the bentgrass seed is so light. So when you find a seed you want, look for a supplier who will guarantee 0.00% Weed AND 0.00% Other Crop. You will not find this purity of seed at Wal-Mart. You will only find this seed at better garden stores and nurseries. You do get what you pay for in seed purity.

  • 18 years ago

    I don't want to give a headache in trying to select the right type of bluegrass seed for your lawn to mix with fescue. However, I do want to offer food for thought. First thing is to always select the best seed possible. Another is to take your growing conditions into consideration. If you have shade, more thought goes into the bluegrass selection, depending on how much sunlight the area receives. And another thought is the color of your fescue lawn (or the new fescue seed you're planting), so as to try matching as closely as possible. Furthermore, consider any diseases you have had in the past or any that are common to your area and select resistant varieties. Most likely, relatively newer or improved varieties will offer the better disease resistance in general. One last things I can think of at the moment is growth habit. When mixing (or blending) species, you want to ensure uniformity by selecting all varieties that grow and tolerate mowing height much the same. There are lots of fescues that grow slowly and can be mowed low and many bluegrass, too. But, many fescues don't and many bluegrasses don't. The best idea is choose similar maintenance requirements as it relates to mowing frequency and height.

    Clear as mud?

    I'll answer your questions individually if you still wish.

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks dchall, that is a very good point. One of the reasons I went to Lesco this fall was 0% weed seed.

    Thanks bestlawn. All very good points. I think the advice to select the best seed possible is very good advice, even though my nature is to find "good enough" at the cheapest price. How does one go about matching growth habits? Is it a generic low, medium, high trait that is published or ??

  • 18 years ago

    The producers have descriptions on their websites to tell of each variety's traits and characteristics. Most wholesalers and retailers supply descriptions on their sites also. If you have trouble finding what you need, I can usually locate most of them. Just let me know.

    To get you started, here are a few producer sites....
    Pickseed
    Turf-Seed, Inc. (now owned by Scotts)
    Jacklin Simplot
    Seed Research
    Turf Merchants

    There are several others, but this is a good starting point. Note also there may be some varieties not listed on the producer's website.

  • 18 years ago

    Oh, bestlawn! You didn't warn me that there were "types" of KBG, LoL. Compact, Midnight, BVMG, Mid-Atlantic..., what is a layman to do! Should keep me busy over the winter trying to make sense of the vast number of bluegrasses. Thanks for your links.

  • 18 years ago

    I didn't mention it because it's most important when blending bluegrass and much less important when selecting just one bluegrass variety to mix with fescue. You only need one, so you don't have to be concerned with the different types. The objective is to blend for diversity. You're not blending, you're mixing species. Can't get more diverse than that.

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks bestlawn for the list of producers!
    It is hard to choose the right one...

    Could you please provide with a list of the most popular and the most trusted lawn seed producers especially from the north part of the country or from Canada?
    It would be highly appreciated

  • 18 years ago

    Samokhin--GW banned bestlawn a few months ago, so she no longer posts here.

  • 18 years ago

    bpgreen, I've seen you post that a few times recently. What exactly was she banned for, and by whom?

  • 18 years ago

    By Gardenweb. I don't know what she was banned for. I know it was something that happened on one of the other (not lawn related) forums. I think they removed the thread that got her in trouble.

  • 18 years ago

    Yeah, I was just meaning banned by a moderator of GW. She must have done something pretty bad to actually get banned from the forums, I would think anyways. Unless she was trash talking against GW, or doing something against the rules, I don't see why she would get banned. I searched around and someone said it was because of a disagreement in a debate, which if this is true, is pretty unfortunate.

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks bpgreen!
    That is a shame... Bestlawn did quite informative posts.

    Could someone, please, answer my question?

    It is too hard to choose the right brand name of lawn seed producer or a reputable seed house..., especially if the subject is unfamiliar to you (it is for me). Anyway, it seems better paying a few extra cents per pound for good quality seed than trying to maintain an attractive lawn that was from poor quality seed...

    Could someone, please, give a list of leaders of the lawn seed market in the north part of the country or in Canada, the most trusted producers, brand names or reputable seed houses? Just to go and buy with certainty that you are not going to have troubles with your lawn. That would be highly appreciated!!! Thanks a lot!

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