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15 years ago

I am a huge palm enthusiast...but living in zone 6, which is the best species? I love queen palms, but will it survive???

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  • 15 years ago

    Do you mean as a "houseplant", winter-protected, or in the ground palm,(protected? or unprotected?) Not enough info in your posting to answer. Queens will definitely NOT survive in the ground unprotected in zone 6, but you can grow them if you overwinter them in some shelter. Cold hardiest palm though is Rhaphidophyllum hysterix (Needle Palm). Never was thrilled with them in a container, but growth is much faster in the ground. But this one will not do well if your summers are not hot (not all zone 6's are created equal). Trachycarpus fortunei is doable if you protect some, start with a bigger specimen, have a milder zone 6, have a nice, warm microclimate, and are lucky.

  • 15 years ago

    Probably a potted, indoor in the winter situation...although planted would be preferable that wa I could keep it after it got too tall for indoors...as for the climate I am in southern indiana and it is usually around 85-100 degrees with matching humidity levels...I stumbled across the pindo a.k.a. jelly palm last night, and it is supposedly very cold hardy. What do you think? I really appreciate your insight, feedback, and guidance. I would be quite lost without it, as I am just a southern indiana boy with a mild obsession for these majestic trees...thank you

  • 15 years ago

    Potted/protected from extreme cold is easy--many will do fine! My favorite potted happen to be Queens (but I protect them in a loft garage from Dec. to late March). Pindo did not work out for me unprotected in a WET, zone 7 and I have read they are prone to spear loss even in the Southeast. Best bets are hardier FAN palms (not PINNATE/feather palms). Try Needle palms.

  • 15 years ago

    I would more than likely just bring them into the house...I heard they won't grow any larger than the pot that they are in will allow, any truth to this???

  • 15 years ago

    I have had my queen palm in the ground for about 7 years now (from a very small seedling from Florida). It is now about 9 or 10 feet tall. Its so easy to grow indoors and out! I barely water mine all winter. It doesnt like that too much, but it manages with no problem. In past years I have kept it in my cold unheated garage. They are very easy houseplants. The one problem I have with them is that no matter what I do, they always get burned from the sun during the spring. But it recovers by July and looks good again!
    Pindo palms will not survive outside in a zone 6 without protection, but they are great indoor palms as well. I have one pindo palm outside with protection and 2 inside in pots and all 3 do well for me.
    I havent had a problem indoors with my majesty palm, but I hear than can cause some trouble so I would avoid them as indoor plants. But you can by them as summer annuals (and you can get them at very large sizes for cheap prices (I got my 9 foot tall majesty palm for about 40 dollars).
    Parlor palms are great indoor palms. They stay small and must be in shade if they go outside, but they are great palms!
    Good luck!
    -Alex

  • 15 years ago

    So you think I could manage a queen here in southern indiana? How would I take care of it in the winter? And where would I find large specimens like you spoke of for so cheap???

  • 15 years ago

    I've noticed that it seems zone 7 is the lowest people really have success with palms

  • 15 years ago

    I agree that without protection, zone 7 is probably the limit for palms, but you can live in a much colder zone than that and still have beautiful palms if you protect them. Windmill palms shouldnt give you any trouble with protection.
    I do think you can manage to grow a queen palm in your area if you bring it inside. You really dont have to do much and they can get pretty tall before they need to be repotted. If your ever taking a car trip to FL, you can get huge queen palms (8 to 12 feet tall) for maybe 50 dollars. Smaller ones would be easier to take home and cheaper, and since they arent very slow growing, you probably dont want a huge queen palm to start off with anyway.
    The cheap palms I was talking about were majesty palms. A local Lowes or Home Depot should be selling them cheaply, even in a zone 6. Occasionally the Home Depot or Lowes around here sell queens too (some nurseries here sell queens here too, but not reliably).

    Good luck!
    -Alex

  • 15 years ago

    I would say definitely NOT for the queen palm outside in your zone 6 garden. I live in Coastal Southern Delaware (zone 7b/8a) and they don't survive our relatively mild winters. Lots of hotels, summer resort businesses (mini golf, sea shell shops, water parks, etc) plant queen palms every year and treat them like annual plants. Apparently, they are relatively inexpensive because they grow so quickly in their nursery centers. They are good annual palms because they are hardier than most. Here in Southern Delaware, our Novermbers and Decembers are mild because of the ocean temperatures moderate us. I've seen queen palms alive up until just before Christmas. They die after we our first night in the low 20s.

    Buy yourself a very sturdy, windmill palm or some needle palms for outdoors and plant them in the sunniest, most protected spot in your garden. They are hardy to zone 6 with wrapping. Needles, especially. They should do OK, especially if you protect them in the winter. You can get winterizing tips (leaf cages, wrapping, Xmas lights, etc) from other posts here in the Palm Forum. A good hardy palmetto or two outside and a "fun" potted tropical inside in winter/outside in summer, will keep you pretty content.

    Windmills do very well here and I don't have to wrap mine. I've been tempted to do a Jelly/Pindo palm and a European palm, again, I don't believe in wrapping my palms. Survival of the fittest.

    Good luck.

  • 15 years ago

    What do you think about a pindo here, that type of plam is truly the look I adore...how fast growing are they???

  • 15 years ago

    It sounds like you want a pinnate palm (as opposed to the cold hardier palmate palms). But in zone 6, you would have most success with palmate palms (given protection). Pindos will definitely need protection in a zone 6. Pindos are relatively fast growly (in my experience), you can always grow it as a large, containerized palm as long as you protect it from the winter. In the ground will require coverage. Maybe there is someone here who is successful with them as planted in the ground /cold protected Pindos in zone 6. They resent water/snow in the crown and are prone to spear pull even in milder climates (which they can recuperate from if the palm is not too badly damaged.) I am only growing Pindos now as larger containerized specimens that I protect in the Winter--along with large P. canariensis and Queens. I'm zone 7 and the only palms that will survive for me in the ground and unprotected, are some of the palmate palms (not the pinnate/feather palms).

  • 15 years ago

    Thank you as always

  • 15 years ago

    I think you'd be wasting your money to plant a pindo outdoor in zone 6. I'm in zone 8a and very hesitant from what I'm hearing about Pindo's in the winter. Give the windmills a try in your garden. I think you'll be pleased. And then have an indoor collection of potted tropical palms like the rest of us have to be content with.

    See:

    Pindo Palm Tree Description

    Scientific name: Butia capitata
    Pronunciation: BEW-tee-uh kap-ih-TAY-tuh
    Common name(s): Pindo Palm, Jelly Palm
    Family: Arecaceae
    USDA hardiness zones: 8B through 11
    Origin: not native to North America
    Invasive potential: little invasive potential
    Uses: street without sidewalk; deck or patio; specimen; parking lot island 200 sq ft; tree lawn 3-4 feet wide; tree lawn 4-6 feet wide; tree lawn > 6 ft wide; urban tolerant; highway median
    Availability: not native to North America

  • 15 years ago

    My pindo palm survived my winters with protection, but mine has been EXTREMELY slow growing. Maybe its because its in shade, or maybe its the less-than-ideal soil. But they are suppose to be pretty good growers when established, which might not be a good thing since you will have to give it protection every year if you want it to survive. But it can be done. Their is a very large pindo near my area that is about 9 feet tall or so and protected every winter. It usually doesnt look too great coming out of winter, but it always looks nice for the summer!

  • 15 years ago

    Maybe I just need to move south!!! Lol

  • 15 years ago

    I have lost two pindos protected two years ago but this winter i had success and im in zone 7

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