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'Miniature' Plummies?

15 years ago

I have a lot of experience growing Plumeria and have had several trees started from cuttings. Despite living in Denver, I have had great success with my trees - thanks in large part to this forum! What I have done in the past is started the tree in my home greenhouse and then moved it outdoors in the Spring when the weather allowed. They would live happily outside until it started to cool down and then I would move them back in. I have now moved to a new house that sadly does not yet have a greenhouse. My beloved trees found a home at the Denver Botanical Gardens and will live on in their tropical plant exhibit. While I can visit them whenever I want, it is just not the same as having them here.

My question is this, is there a variety of Plumeria that tends to be "miniature" in stature? I have tons of sun in this house and would like to have something to tide me over until we get the greenhouse added. Can you fine folks make any suggestions?

Comments (16)

  • 15 years ago

    Yes, there is a variety of Singapore that is considered a dwarf. Eggenberger's book mentions dwarf Simgapore, along with a dwarf deciduous (vs the evergreen Sngapore) along with a " Petite Pink" ( page 49). I think Jm Little's book might mention them as well, I was just reading Eggenberger's book yesterday. I have seen dwarfs at one plumeria grower in Orange California. It was a full grown one, and not cheap.

    That was awesome that you gave your trees to a botanical garden where others can come and enjoy your trees. Good luck! Jennifer

  • 15 years ago

    Wincemaker,

    Even with the Dwarf varieties of Plumies you still need room as they do get quite full/wide in circumference just not as tall (usually max height on a dwarf is 6ft), usually this takes a while though as most dwarf varieties grow about 6" a season or less . Jungle Jacks offers some very attractive dwarf varieties such as Divine and miniature white.
    Good luck

  • 15 years ago

    Jungle Jack's divine is a great bloomer for me. This is now going to be its 3rd summer and last summer it had 3 heads of blooms. Its only maybe 2 feet tall at the most but it has well over 10 tips! It will likely never outgrow its pot so I wont have to worry about pruning it. Singapore is a very beautiful plumeria. Eventually it does get very large (I saw HUGE trees of them in Hawaii), but they bloom at a small height and are very compact which is why they are great potted plants. I hear that Jungle Jack's mini-white is just like Divine, only with white flowers.
    Good luck!
    -Alex

  • 15 years ago

    the dwarf singapore pink do not get terribly large in the pot...i have several that are still under 2 ft

  • 15 years ago

    I've looked into this a lot since I need compact, too, and the best varieties I could find for size and fragrance are:

    Penang Peach
    J105 (a Penang seedling)
    Elsie (ditto)
    Pink Pansy
    My Valentine
    Key West Red
    Thai Dwarf Watermelon/Chompoo Phuang Roi

    That's in addition to the above suggestions, of which I hear most raves about Divine.

    Florida Colors' site has good descriptions of growth habits and nearly all those varieties I listed for sale.

    Here is a link that might be useful: A-Z list

  • 15 years ago

    Forgot to mention Dwarf Deciduous as a nice alternative to Singapore, which I find fussy about cooler temps.

  • 15 years ago

    Jungle Jack claims to have the only true miniatures, and I can vouch for such growing habits of Mini-white, Divine and Thumbelina. 'Compact' is a relative term - for example, my J105 is already 6' tall. There's also a slew of 'dwarf' plants, and some are pretty pricey and often hard to find.

  • 15 years ago

    Good to know about the, ahem, compact stature of J105! Does it bloom on relatively short stems?

  • 15 years ago

    Mine has not yet bloomed (cool summer last year), but the most distinctive feature is the very thick leaves, almost like a rubber plant. It also has very thick branches.

  • 15 years ago

    Of thye plumeria mentioned above, I have 'Divine' and 'Dwarf Singapore Pink'. I jsut got the 'Divine' last fall so no inflos yet. It has 4 nice tips and is coming out of dormancy right now.

    My DSP I have had for the past 2 years and it has around 15 tips on it. This plumeria grows tips like crazy while the tree itseld stays compact and dwarf in height. To me, the fact that it grows so many tips and blooms almost all year for me is what makes it so nice. I like the blooms but to me there nothing spectacular. Pink flowers with a nice sweet fragrance but that's about it. I am guessing that I will like the 'Divine' more than the DSP.
    Andrew

  • 15 years ago

    RE: Jungle Jacks Thumbelina, according to John there is no availability and he hasn't had any in a while as he can not find the mother plant in Thailand. Because of the size of JJ's Thai plantation a trees location can get lost, or in some cases John said the tree gets moved or destroyed by accident. There are several other JJ's varieties that are lost such as Jack's Orange.

    Also J105, Elsie, etc are semi Compact as the plants will still grow fairly big, but will be bushy as it has a good growth habits and sends out many tips on a shorter branch. So if your looking for a minature or dwarf you are very limited in choices. Aurora Borealis in the 32yrs I have had her is only 6 1/2 feet from the soil like and grows between 4" and 6" in a year and blooms like crazy on 2" tips. So really investigate the variety you are interested in before you buy it or you may end up with a larger plant than what you wanted.

  • 15 years ago

    I've got most of the varieties mentioned in the above posts. So far, my favorite is Dwarf Deciduous. It has the largest flowers of the group, and does very well under grow lights.

  • 15 years ago

    I agree with James (freak4) but then I always do because he really knows his plants (having once had over 400 varieties). My Dwarf Deciduous is my most dwarf plant but I prefer my slightly larger Divine's flowers. My My Valentine, JL Pink Pansey and Penang Peach are all not very dwarf to me but they do grow a bit slower than the neighboring plumies. My JL Pink and White has been a compact grower but that could just be my plant.

  • 15 years ago

    I spoke to John today at the SD H&G show, and he said both mother trees for Thumbelina and mostly likely Jack's Orange have been located. Good news, and new plants coming out this year.

  • 15 years ago

    Here's a list of draft plumerias according to Plumeria2U (UK): http://plumeria2u.co.uk/dwarf-plumeria-c-97.html

    Here is a link that might be useful: Plumeria2U

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Yes. Jungle Jack's has several truly miniature varieties for sale. They also have dwarf varieties as well.

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