It looks like everything labeled takil comes from rarepalmseeds.com it turns out that theyre not takils and now not even hardy?

Message from a nursery owner

they tested takil but not from my seeds

takil is a true palms but some dealers just sold plain old fortunei but that is not my bussiness

the takil we have is not so cold hardy as fortunei and grow slower , this is what we found out here in our fields

fortunei and wagnerianus are the onley palms that survives holland winters withoud protection

thank you