I ordered some HTs from Palantine that are on multiflora. But I do want to get some from K&M. Last winter really did in a lot of my roses. I think I was a bit colder than you, believe it or not. My thermometer showed 0 for a few hours. That did in most of my teas (OGRs). Most had to be cut down to the root ball, one died outright. While they were own root and came back, the HTs didn't fare as well. So I'm also going to try roses on fort and I can't wait to try some Austins and minis.

Fortuniana makes everything huge. The Austins could well be garden-eating monsters as a result. Most of them are without the help of fortuniana.

Yikes! Austins generally run big anyway. I can't imagine them on fort.!

Yeah, most of the Austins on fortuiana get pretty large but bloom acording to the size of the bush. I had several Austins on fortuniana when I lived in FL. The one I was REALLY impressed with was Abraham Darby. A huge 10' bushy, healthy shrub totally covered in blooms all year long. After I moved to GA., I tried it on Dr Huey. Not even close to what I was use to. I'll be getting 4 Austins from Jim this coming spring. L.D. Braithwaite, Abraham Darby and 2 The Prince. I also grew The Prince in FL. 5'x3'. Really nice bush for me. Bloomed up a storm from Oct. till early May. It slowed a little during the heat of the summer but I really liked it.

I've been wanting to try some fort. but I'm nervous about it. I know people say if you can get it through it's first winter it will do OK but...look at the winters we're having! Not sure it's worth the attempt or not.

Seil, my friend who lives five miles south got hers through one winter, but not the second. I would let them go, and get some good ones on R. multiflora from Steve at Wisconsin Roses. I too long for those huge beauties on Fort., but it isn't to be. :-(