Note this disclaimer if you order from an overseas site:

"Seeds purchased without the necessary documentation will be sent at your risk, there will be no comeback if the seeds are confiscated by customs."

That said, they are a really good company, imo.

Wait, huh? What do they mean "necessary documentation"?? I'm confused... Sounds shady. Are you being sarcastic in your approval of that site? If not, please clarify because I want to order some seeds from them especially the Naga Viper but if they are too shady then I can always try hippyseedcompany or peppermania as others here have recommended also.

You need to fill out special customs forms in order to bring seeds into the US from abroad (if it's just a small amount of seeds then the form is very simply). I don't know how this would work via mail order, but that seems to be what they are referring to.

Yeah, what plantslayer said.

They're implying that you can order from them and they will send, but if customs snags the seeds because you didn't clear the paperwork properly then that's your loss.

...and no, I wasn't being sarcastic about the company. I hear they're a decent enough company.

new hottest pepper it is for now, until the results come back on the Naga Hari. Also, i've ordered from Fatalii(Finland) and got the seeds no problem, within 2 weeks, but i'm in Canada, so things may be a bit different, I also placed an order with the chilli pepper company, so I'll see if I get them.

Yeah, I just read about the Naga Hari as well. I'll definitely order some seeds if it is, in fact, hotter than the Naga Viper.

As more and more "hobby" growers get their hands on these super-hots, we ought to expect some real scorching hybrids/cultivars to appear.

Josh

I've had a lot of luck ordering from pepperjoe.com.

I have also had a great deal of luck ordering from pepperjoe.com for the last four years now.

Why would anyone pay the prices for the infinity pepper , Viper etc.?

A hybrid that,for all you know will put out Jalapenos (figuratively speaking) because the hybrid isn't proved to be stable yet.

I've read there are a lot of problems with the infinity being sterile seed producers too.
Some seed venders even say some of their hybrids may not produce the desired hybrid-buy at your own risk.

You could be spending your $$$ on magic bean seeds...
I also read that the testing of the Viper was flawed in some way and needs to be done again.

I'll stick with what peppers are around now that are superhots until these hybrids prove to be stable.

I believe that they need to be grown out for 8 or so generations until they can be considered stable.
I've read the seed is about 3 generations or so old now.

A buck+ a seed is what these guys are after,they will keep selling their hybrids to stay on the gravey train as long as they can.
I think they will keep pumping out hybrids forever until people get tired of paying for unproven hybrids.
They will only use data that favors the sale of their seeds too,accurate or not.

Good post, smoke! I'm amazed how gullible some people are - pay a king's ransom based on one report, for seeds that may be as stable as a 95-year-old drunk grandmother on an ice-covered hill!

Merry Christmas!

Mike

As mentioned prior, the Naga Viper is not the new hottest pepper in the world, you almost positively will never find it in the guiness book of records.

There are a few candidates that make overtake the Bhut Jalokia in the next 5 or 10 years, this is because REAL testing takes time.

For now the Naga is just a very unstable novelty. No harm in purchasing the seeds, just don't expect every plant to produce identical looking or tasting fruit. And if you save un-crossed seeds from it then realize it has a decent chance of partially regressing back to one of it's original parent plants.

I do see harm in buying these un proven Hybrids.

It encourages these snake oil saleasmen to keep hyping their seeds as they laugh all the way to the bank with your hard earned $$$.
How many seeds in a pod?X $1.00+ each...

It also goes a long way to discredit those who legitamately develope a truely stable hybrid-of anything-hot or sweet,through a lot of time,work and testing.

I agree with smoke 100%.Why support someone who can't back their product.However, I will grow the infinity but I got the seeds through a trade.Thats the safe way.

smoke is 100% correct.

i'd lay odds the naga viper is an unstabilized bhut hybrid- the brits seem to be marketing a new one every couple of months which then is not heard of again...

I also Think that Bhut Jolokia isn't the hottest thing around and never was.
Just the first one made public.

Some 7 pot Varieties , I think , Easily , have it beat in heat and by far in taste.

The Barrakapore 7 Pot Strain I tasted was Very tastey and had a slower burn buildup but was easily as hot as or hotter than any Bhut Jolokia , Bih Jolokia or naga Jolokia I've eaten so far.
Much more tastey too.

To me Most of the Superhot Hybrids look like 7 pot,Trinidad Scorpion and or Bhut crosses.

The infinity really looked 7 Potish to me.

Some stuff I've read said they think The Bhut Jolokia was a 7 pot that went to India long ago and Evolved/adapted to India's growing conditions and probably crossed with all kinds of local stuff to become what it is now.

They say Bhut Jolokia is both Chinense and Frutescens(genes) so maybe a 7 pot crossed and evloved into the Bhut Jolokia.

I think the only reason people think the Bhut is the Hottest is because it was the first to get publicity worldwide.
It's been growing in India for a long time.Not that rare at all either.
Lots of Local strains of it all over India too.

As far as consistent heat goes, I would rate Trinidad Scorp at or nearly at the top. Probably reliably bests that of the Assam peps. No hype needed. Try a whole, ripe Dad and you will receive hot pep religion.

Reggie

in my experience the bhut and naga morich are both a good bit hotter than the trinidad scorpion. scorpion also doesn't taste particularly good.

for flavor i like the yellow hots like devil's tongue and fatallii best- they have that nice datil style taste.

haven't tried the 7 pots but ordered some seed today from refiningfirechiles.com - he seems to at least somewhat have it together on preventing cross-pollination.

BBolf,

in my experience the bhut and naga morich are both a good bit hotter than the trinidad scorpion. scorpion also doesn't taste particularly good.

I have dried Naga Morich and dried Trini. The Dad's heat is significantly more concentrated in the Dad than the Naga in these samples. As far as taste goes, after 4-5 seconds in mouth with the super-hots, taste is no longer relevant to me.

Reggie

biscgolf -

I just visited the web site you supplied in your post - refiningfirechiles.com. That sure is a wonderful thing Jim Duffy does for the kids and he really does seem to have it together. I will be ordering several of his rare pepper seeds. Thanks for supplying his web site address.

Greg
Southern Nevada

While I have great respect for you guys, I don't know how you can put any of those things in your mouth? And then you talk about tasting the damned things. I just can't imagine tasting anything after the first instant. Paramedics would be called if I accidentally bit into one of those monsters.

I love peppers and especially hot peppers but I guess my "hot peppers" wouldn't register any heat on your taste buds. I'm trying to grow some cayennes now thanks to my new friend Jim for sending the seeds but I'm probably going to have to use them for cooking spice only if I can get them to grow out through this incredibly cold Florida winter.

While I have great respect for you guys, I don't know how you can put any of those things in your mouth? And then you talk about tasting the damned things.

Well I am no chili-head but I can tolerate some cap heet. To me the 7-pot and Trini probably best the Assams on a regular basis. Rite mate, the "taste" of the super hots for me lasts about 5-6 seconds. After that, it is all about heet.

And this "front mouth" "throat" "etc" burning characterizations are mostly phony, IMO.

Reggie

Scratchmaster...nc-crn & plantslayer are correct. The USDA requires a permit called Small Lots of Seed to be sent with the seeds. There is also other documentation that is required to accompany the seeds. This means you would have to send all of this to the company you are purchasing your seeds from first. Then they have to fill out all of the information correctly and send it back with the seeds and address labels. The seeds then hit a USDA inspection station at a port of entry, inspected, and if passed, the seeds are SUPPOSED to be sent on their way to you at no extra charge.

As you can well imagine, this is more than a little inconvenient. You can apply online for the permit and it is simple to do so, if somewhat confusing. It usually doesn't take them too long to approve.

But it is just NOT worth the effort! Unless you are ordering hundreds of dollars of rare seeds, don't bother with this. Chances are that your seeds will make it just fine. Yes, there is that slim chance your seeds will cross the official who's boxers are in a twist and decides to confiscate your seeds. Then you try again.

I played by the rules once, and only once, trying to get some rare, tropical fruit seeds sent from Singapore. The inspection station had no clue what the actual rules/procedures were and screwed it all up. I just take my chances from now on. Besides, I doubt they would be too concerned with chili pepper seeds coming from a legitimate company.

What,no mention of the dreaded douglah?The douglah was the tops for me this year.Myself and four others had a taste test and we all agreed that the douglah was the hottest.The 7 pod,trini scorp, and bhuts are really close though.The visible oil inside the douglah was insane!

Douglah is a Brown 7pot....Some strains are very easily hotter than Bhut Jolokia.

Since heat in a pepper can depend on growing conditions , your milage may vary.

What makes anyone think I eat super hots like cherries?

I use them like any other Pepper.

I put only the amount I need in what I'm making to get the heat and flavor I want-just like everyone does with other peppers.
I've never been masochistic and never ate anywhere near a bite of just a superhot by utself.

I do think they have different flavors and when used in moderation are something I use quite often.

Just because you might have an Acetaline Tourch doesn't mean you have to use it to light your birthday cake candles with it. :)
Though it might have seemed like it might be fun at first-Hey,hold my beer,watch this...

The only thing I've noticed with super hots is that if you make something with them let it blend before adding more to bring it up to the level of heat desired or eat it right away if it's already hot enough.

Leftovers will be a lot hotter the next day and you will probably need to add non pepper ingrediants to the leftovers to get it back into your comfort zone.

Super Hots have an incedible half life.A cup of day old Salsa might turn into a party sized bowl of leftovers.
Yeee Haaa.
More beeerrrr,put the toilet paper back in the freezer honey.

My experience with Bhut Jolokia has also shown a lot of variation. I bought seeds last year both from Mr. Duffy and New Mexico University, and grew out probably 10 plants. I kept the two most vigorous, they ended up being one from NMU and one from Mr. Duffy. Well, growing side-by-side and eventually becoming prolific beasts, after peppers began getting ripe there was a DRASTIC difference between the heat of the two. It was in fact the Bhut Jolokia from Mr. Duffy that absolutely outshined the heat levels from the NMU plant. In addition, the ones I didn't keep, and gave away, also exhibited drastic variations in heat level. These other plants were grown in different locations, and shouldn't be compared, really.

I am attempting to overwinter my Bhut Jolokia from Mr. Duffy, at least I know it's a winner. I will continue to grow and screen individual plants to obtain the most potency. I only wish I had more space and time to really grow out the genotypes!

I have ordered Naga Viper Sauce from the UK and have not had a problem. Customs approved my shipment. It did take about six weeks to deliver.

If you caught Dave Dewitt on the Martha Stewart show on Monday (yes, it is the only time I watched it) he said that based on testing done in New Mexico (at NMSU, I believe), they think the "world's hottest" is actually the Trinidad Scorpion, not the Bhut Jolokia (he mentioned this one by name). He did not mention the Naga Viper or the Infiniti, but did say they were submitting paperwork to Ginness Book of World records this week. I guess we shall soon know what is the "world's hottest," at least for this year, anyway . . .