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Transplants old rose, type unknown

17 years ago

Hello, I am a newbie gardener. I have a Dr. Huey, that I am assuming is just the rootstock that overtook whatever was planted by our house's original owners, which coincidentally turned out to be my great great grandmother. It is doing very well. It's about to bloom and has many buds and is a very vigorous and healthy plant. It's been very easy to care for. Prune it once or twice, after a big bloom or as needed to maintain the shape.

My grandmother told me this winter about a rose her mother had planted many years ago. This would have been circa 1930. She said the area is overgrown now and has been bush-hogged several times but the rose always grew again and had even spread and there was now several plants.

I went out today and indeed found 2 roses, maybe 3, 2 close together. With the help of my uncle, who'd already took part of one to his house several years ago, we cut me off half of one of them, roots and all. I've never had success with cuttings before, so I wanted to actually transplant a whole root system, thinking it might be the safer bet.

The deal is, it is not in good shape at all. Almost every branch is tiny and there are no signs of buds at all. There is lots of new leaf growth, but it's shaped soooo different from my Dr. Huey, which is very branchy. This is like a bunch of canes splayed out. I can see where there are a few areas that seem to have tried to branch out, but it's in such bad shape, it mostly seems like the attempts fizzled out/died.

In addition to it's bad health, I have no idea where to begin to help it. I've transplanted it already. I wanted to cut the main root in the bottom in half but wasn't sure that was wise. keep in mind, I am very much a novice. I gave it plenty of room and intend on finding something to provide it with support, since I suspect it might be a climbing rose. My grandmother says she can remember it climbing on a fence. My uncle says his is bright pink, not fuschia, but more of a true pink. He says it blooms all summer but that his has not made many blooms ever and that it seems to take forever to put blooms out. I am not sure if his plant is just as unhealthy as mine or if it's the plants nature.

My instinct is to cut it down to nearly nothing, especially since it has no buds at all right now. If so, should I wait a while since I just transplanted it? Or just let it do it's own thing this year and work on it next year, after it's established itself?

Here's some pictures, so you can have an idea of it.

Plant before transplant

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close up of branches and new leaf growth

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04626.jpg

the base (some of it is very bright purple)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04627.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04628.jpg

the tallest "cane"

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04629.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04630.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/osromatra/DSC04632.jpg

Thanks so much!

Comments (6)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Since its clearly wilting because of a loss of roots, you better get out there and cut it way back to about a foot tall or less. Water it several times a week and it should settle in and start to bloom next year. I suspect what you have is 'Dorothy Perkins', one of the most commonly found roses in overgrown or abandoned gardens. It will survive where no other rose would.

    Good luck!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Yeah, I was concerned about that as well. My other has way deeper roots, and thicker to boot, than that. I was actualyl afraid we'd pulled it away from it's roots but when I looked, that was it!

    Thanks! I knew I needed to cut back the really long one. So, I should cut it down agressively?

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Cut it back hard leaving no more than 8 - 12" of cane. The smaller shoots could be cut back to 4 or 5 inches. The idea is to reduce the amount of foliage but 1/2 to 2/3. The plant needs to be able to relieve the stress on the root system while it recovers, and a lot of new foliage requires a LOT of water.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ok, gotcha! I was thinking the other way around, that it needed foliage to get sun, so I tried to preserve it. I was too cold and possibly rainy tonight, so I will do it tomorrow early morning instead. I watered it right after the pictures and before dark, it was perking up, I think. But I'll trim it tomorrow.

    So I shouldn't expect blooms til next year? If it's a climber, would it help if I try to train the canes inward? I don't like the look of trellises, so I am going antiqueing looking for a nice old gate/fence or something for it to have, but it may take a while to find what I want. I guess it won't be priority this year regardless, since it's being so heavily pruned.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ok, I trimmed it down to about 10 inches this morning. It was looking much more perky anyway, but I did it regardless. Then a huge rain came, I wasn't expecting that. I hope it's ok. I also tried starting sme of the pieces I cut. Is there a trick to that? I've never gotten it to work. My granny tells me I need to stick them down into the ground til it hits a joint and to keep them well-watered and that they should start to root in about a week or so. Is that right?

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Those canes might not be old enough to root the old fashioned way. If you have a patch of really sandy soil, the rooting would be better there than in a soil with a higher clay or humus content.

    The rains we're going to have next week should be very good for the two you've got started.
    You've got enough root for most of the old timey ones to establish; just don't let them get dehydrated when temps go over 70 (Shade with a chair or broken off leafed out tree limbs (One good use for privet hedge).

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