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Poor germination results

17 years ago

I have read a lot of posts on how to germinate pepper seeds and decided to do a little experimentation. I found the link for "Byron's World Famous Tea Recipe For Starting Seeds"

I got a pepper from my new ristra and removed the seeds. I divided them up into 5 groups: "Cold Tea", "Warm Tea", "Cold Water", "Warm Water", and "No Soak". I placed 25 seeds from the same pod in four separate dishes and soaked them overnight according to which group they were in (13 were left for the "No Soak" filter). I then took the seeds and placed them in separate, labeled coffee filters in an incubator set at 30° C. I placed a reservoir under the filters with a small wick to keep them moist. I used the H²O² recipe at a rate of 5% as was indicated in the "Tea" thread.

After two weeks the Cold Water filter had a couple of sprouts and I was really excited! Unfortunately I did not have the results that I expected. The "Cold Water" ended up with 4/25 germinating. the "Warm Water", and "Warm Tea each germinated at a rate of 3/25. The "No Soak" did eventually sprout at a rate of 3/13, but was much slower to grow, just barely showing any root when the others were already getting tiny leaves. The "Cold Tea", which was touted as being the best method produced a single sprout but the filter also had quite a bit of black mold on it.

So, all I know is that putting the seeds to soak in Cold

Tea overnight produced the worst results. Should I have not soaked them but rather just wet the filter? I was afraid to continue exposing the seeds to the tea left in the filter so that's why I put them all in fresh filters after an overnight soak. It seemed that the tea actually destroyed some protection that the seeds naturally had, resulting in the black mold growth.

Rather than have a small wick keeping the filters moist should I seal them in a baggie and then put them in the incubator?

The "No Soak" did actually result in the highest germination rate but was much slower.

I had such miserable germination results last year that I want to figure this out before I try my new seeds this year.

I might add that this was my second attempt, as the first attempt I used pepper seeds from a dried pepper package I bought at the grocery store. After 3 weeks there was no growth so I gave up and decided they had been dehydrated at too high a temperature. When I bought my new ristra the peppers were still fresh and moist.

Any thoughts?

Here is a link that might be useful: Byron's World Famous Tea Recipe For Starting Seeds

Comments (13)

  • 17 years ago

    I had almost 100% germination with this method. Peat pellets on a mini greenhouse on a heating pad so the green house is around 80 to 90 degrees fahrenheit. It took all my seeds even tepin and nagas a week to sprout. Its pretty simple and works well. Just make sure to watch for damping off fungus so don't keep them overly moist.

  • 17 years ago

    Proper light and...more importantly...bottom heat is what you're looking for to increase germination percentage.

    The nutrients in the teas are somewhat wasted on pepper seeds...they don't need them.

    Plant 2-3 per cell if you're doing a traditional small cell-pack planting and thin to 1 plant or do a mass seedling planting in 1 pot, pick when elongated, and replant into separate cells.

  • 17 years ago

    Oh...it's not a nutrient tea, but the "green/black tea method."

    For older seeds and seeds that demonstrate secondary dormancy it might help, but for pepper seeds (unless they're especially old) you don't need to get that kind of tea involved.

  • 17 years ago

    So, what did I do wrong? If everyone else has good results with the tea and a nice warm environment, what did I do wrong? Any suggestions?

  • 17 years ago

    Perhaps your seeds were old or had been poorly stored?

  • 17 years ago

    They probably had a warm counter top or surrounding air, better soil/media, didn't water from the top so the seeds didn't float around deeper into the media, had better quality seed to start with...etc.

    There's a ton of things that could have gone wrong.

    It most likely had little to do with the tea.

  • 17 years ago

    Did you sacrifice a virgin to the pepper seed sprouting gods?

    Actualy I think that whenever I tried any of the seed soaks I've seen on the internet none were worth the hassle.
    Looks like the tea you used has something in it that mold loves to grow in or on.
    In general my seeds sprout best when put in damp soil on top of my freezer for 10 days.I put a clear plastic cup upside down over the seed to keep them moist.
    When I run out of room for soil filled sprouters I put them on top of a piece of damp paper towel in mini zip locks on the freezer top.
    The only tea that for me sometimes works is weak chamomomile tea to prevent damping off.

    For small seeds I get better results by laying the seeds on top of the soil and putting a piece of damp paper towel over them rather than covering with soil.Once the roots get into the soil I remove the paper towel.

    I've got some seeds from some Cancun market Habaneros that are well over 5 yrs. old that sprouted last year and only 1 didn't sprout out of the 5 I planted.

    Too much water and too much or little heat are the only things that used to mess me up.Too much water was the most common-damp is enough water.Wet invites mold and bugs...Bad things to grow where you don't want them to.

  • 17 years ago

    Keep it simple. They want to grow.

  • 17 years ago

    "...So, what did I do wrong?"

    I'm not sure YOU did anything wrong. My guess would be bad seeds - either stored too long (or incorrectly) or pod was immature when harvested.

    There's LOTS of info out there about seed starting. Here are a few you might enjoy reading;

    Uncle Steve's opinions

    Fiery Food's thoughts

    The Chileman's Growing Guides

    Some good seeds, a little soil, a little water and a little heat and off you go! And don't forget to add some light once they sprout. Good Luck!

  • 17 years ago

    Well I decided to do another experiment. When I opened up another pepper from my ristra I realized my problem must have been the pepper that provided the seeds. The new seeds looked entirely different than the ones I got from my first pepper. I remember now that the pepper had a defect in it and I didn't want to make chili out of it....how dumb am I?

    So, I decided to duplicate the experiment exactly to see what would happen with better seeds.

    These are my results at only 4 days:

    No soak: 23/25
    Warm water soak: 8/25
    Cold water soak: 2/25
    Warm tea soak: 1/25
    Cold tea soak: 0/25

    Not to mention that the ones soaked in tea have "damping off"

    So, I feel confident now that if I simply introduce my seeds to a warm, moist environment, with no soaking involved, I will get the best results. My incubator is set to 30°C. I have small wicks wetting the coffee filters.

    Just as you said, fiedlermeister, "Keep it simple. They want to grow."

    All I know is trying to start seeds in a cold room in an Aerogarden did NOT work for my peppers last year!!!

  • 17 years ago

    After 2 weeks I took a count and here's where it stood:

    No soak: 23/25
    Warm water soak: 18/25
    Cold water soak: 19/25
    Warm tea soak: 15/25
    Cold tea soak: 13/25

    As far as peppers go, I got a good result with the warmth of the incubator and coffee filters kept wet with thin wicking string. I'm not gonna mess with tea, but at least I know that I don't need to. (BTW: When I say "warm tea", I just mean room temperature)

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for the data.

  • 17 years ago

    I got similar results awhile back

    I did this test along with other pre-treatments in 2003. And found no significant difference except for a method where the seeds were left in water. There were 50 seeds per sample of Baily's Piquin. Results were:
    1) Tea soak---88%
    2) Potassium Nitrate soak ( 1 tsp/qt of water)--94%
    3) Tap water---100%
    4) Hydrogen Peroxide( 10% solution)--94%
    5) No soak--94%
    6) Dilute Miracle Grow--94%
    7) Left soaking in water--44%
    8) 10% bleach soak and into small jars--98%
    I don't think any but the soaking in water are of statistical significance

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