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nothing is growing! *help*

16 years ago

Hello:

I have a problem. NONE of my plants are growing in my vivarium AT ALL! It is a vivarium, so I don't have to fertilize it. It has been set up for about a year now, and its like the plants are in a state of suspended animation. It is a false bottom terrarium, and the soil is a mixture of peat moss, coco fiber, sphagnum moss, potting soil, crushed up dead leaves, orchid bark, and play sand. The lighting is one UVA incandescent lamp as is designed for reptiles, and one UVB flourescent (sp?) lamp as is also designed for reptiles. The vivarium is also by an east- facing window. The temperature is about 75-80 oF and the humidity is about 80%. THe plants get fertilized by the animals (green anole, two geckoes, four tree frogs). Creeping fig doesn't even grow in it!!! Can someone help me?

Also, I want to grow moss in said vivarium. The soil is kept moist and the background is kept slightly damp, and I have no water feature, so java moss is not an option as it needs to be kept wet. Would Blackjungle's "Live Tropical Moss" be an option? I have tried it in the past but they sent me a 16"x16" brown, dead sheet of it and I was NOT satisfied. I tried to revive it from potential spores in a totally covered terrarium with humidity in the upper 90s but it didn't work. Are there any other kinds of moss that would work?

Comments (4)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm just posting this follow up to check my e-mail, as I have not recieved any emails within the past month and I cannot send email.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Got any pictures?
    What other plants do you have besides the Creeping Fig.
    Do you let the viv cool down some during the night?
    If you keep the soil moist then I would try some Java Moss as it should be OK on damp to wet soil.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    pictures:
    http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/terrarium/msg051706277011.html?5

    These pictures are not recent however,
    New Plants: Creeping fig in back of vivarium, fittonia and paph orchid in right side, peperomia was moved from back left to front right, selaginella uncinata "rainbow moss?" in back, Sheet moss from my yard in back, ressurection fern on middle background, spanish moss on wood, rhipsalis species on left background, Unknown grass-like plant(monocot) grown from bulb found in FL keys in left back side. I THINK thats it.
    Plants that were taken out: Nepenthes, till. Melanocrater "tricolor", prayer plant.

    Yes, I let the viv cool down at night. Temp probably goes from 80 range(day) to upper 60-lower 70. Humidity is constant.
    Also, only the lower inch of the background stays damp, in the left side it dries out everywhere because of the heat lamp, but the middle and upper portion stays bone-dry. So is java moss still an option? Any cheap ways I can increase humidity other than misting? Don't know why I put 80% as the humidity level in the orig. post but it is probably closer to 60.

    ~Chris

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Most likely reason for lack of growth? Insufficient lighting. Although you may feel an urge to protest, before doing so please follow..........

    Being "by" a window, as I mentioned in another post of yours just a bit ago is a very relative thing. Try posting a pic of the tank showing where it is in relation to the wall it's against and window it is "by". Without actually seeing your set up (including the tank's location in the room), it is hard to say more.

    One of the most common challenges I encounter when friends and family ask me why their plants are fairing poorly is light issues. (The other is without a doubt issues of watering verse media being used.) In those applicable cases when, upon seeing the plant in question, I tell them they aren't giving the plant(s) enough light, I have often gotten the response that I must be wrong because they KNOW the plant is getting enough light. "How do you know?", I then ask them. And the response? Because they can "see" how bright the lighting is. At which point, I sigh, bang my head against an available wall a few times, and then proceed to try to educate them as to what good lighting is to a plant vs what it is to us. Most folks are well aware that plants require light in order to undergo photosynthesis by which process plants make their food. What most people, IME, do NOT understand is that the light intensity needed for photosynthesis is far, far greater than the intensity our eyes require for seeing. This is particularly an issue indoors. Our eyes tell us that the lighting from the light bulbs is bright. The plant sitting next to us in that room -- if it could talk -- would be asking us why we are sitting in a dimly lit dungeon/cave. As far as the plant is concerned, the light intensity is too low to be of any real use.

    I have, I'm rather embarassed to say, over 100 plants in my apt. I employ several set ups:

    Some of them are on a lighted plant stand. Each shelf is lit by 4 four foot 40W fluorescent bulbs. Those plants which require fairly high light are positioned so their topmost leaves are one inch or less from touching the bulbs. Those that are considered low light plants are placed so their leaves are about 6 inches from the bulbs.

    Some of them are on my livingroom plant stand sitting in FRONT of my completely unobstructed SW facing glass doors. The stand is about 3 inches away from the glass.

    In my livingroom there are also two terrs -- one on the east wall one on the west wall. My livingroom by anyone's standards is "bright". Despite this, none of the plants in my terrs would be truly thriving if it weren't for the supplemental lighting I have in each tank. In my 90gal terr, for example, I have six 100W equivalent cfls and I can tell -- based on the manner of grower and degree of blooming (or lack there of) -- that this STILL is not sufficient for a number of the plants.

    Now there are some plants like pothos that seem to be able to get by on remarkably pathetic lighting, but they are more the exception than the rule in the plant world. On account of this, creating a planted vivarium in which the plants' as well as the animals' needs are met is often truly challenging. I salute you for trying.

    Btw, assuming your conditions are satisfactory, if you can be patient, you very well may eventually have mosses "appear" in your tank. I have some "volunteer" moss currently in mine that I suspect is the result of some stray spores that floated in or perhaps some spore hitchhikers that were on some dead sphag I put in the tank.

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