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Newbie Mass Murder - What Happened?

18 years ago

I am very sad. :( Yesterday was the two week anniversary of the "birth" of my worm bin. I have a Can-O-Worms, I followed the setup included in the instructions, using newspaper instead of the cardboard disc on the very bottom of the first tray. I know now that it wasn't optimal because I only set up the moistened coir/newspaper/cardboard bedding a few days prior to the receipt of my worms without including any foodstuff to break down. Still, I don't think that it was a dramatic issue.

My two pounds of worms were shipped from AcmeWorms.com on a Monday, and I received them the next day on Tuesday. I know a second mistake I made was not picking through the worms for the dead ones. However, I didn't know at the time and just wanted to stress the worms as little as possible. There were only two worms or so that were dead on top, which I removed. I also noticed a few potworms, which I knew to be okay.

I let them sit in the bin for maybe two days before giving them a little plain, cooked oatmeal (cooled of course), which they seemed to relish. I had only given them maybe a cup, and a couple days later it was almost gone, so I gave them some chopped vegetable scraps and a bit of cornmeal. They didn't seem to like those as much, but I waited a couple days before giving them more. It seemed like each day I checked on them, I was seeing fewer and fewer worms, and I started seeing a dead ones up top. Some looked like someone had chopped some of them or tried to pull them apart, with strange skinny sections on their body. I don't know if it was because I had caught them in some state of uneven decomposition or if they had died from some terrible illness. Others just looked pale and dead, sometimes bloated. I had wondered about 'protein poisoning' but I'm vegan and hadn't been giving them anything protein rich, and I also see that some online sources call protein poisoning a myth. On top it seemed a bit dry despite keeping the lid on, so I had a spraybottle and began misting them every day. However, I don't think it too much because there were no foul smells and it still wasn't getting very wet. I was careful not to overfeed because it was a new bin and I didn't want to smell rot and start off bad.

Fewer and fewer worms were becoming visible. What I believe to be white mites were exploding everywhere. Potworms seemed happy enough. Still no bad smells. Yesterday, because my roommie and I hadn't seen any live worms for a couple days, we finally decided to dump it out and look for survivors. There were absolutely none. Nada. We found 3 egg capsules, tons of mites and potworms, and a few places where dead worms had congealed, seemingly "melted," but not much else. In the collector tray I found many dead worms, as well as a couple maggots and what appeared to be several fly eggs. It smelled foul in the collector tray, but there wasn't much fluid. I think the fluid may have only been from the decayed worms, and possibly a tiny bit of drainage from the bedding.

I find it hard to believe that nearly two pounds of worms escaped to the collector tray, but it's hard to tell since when I washed the bin out there seemed to be a lot of 'reconstituted' worms... blech.

I'm $50 poorer and much sadder, but mainly wondering WHY? I don't see how I could have lost every single worm in a batch of 2 pounds in exactly 2 weeks. I really, really want to get a new bin started without the disaster of the first one. Being in Phoenix, I couldn't find any supplies in town so will most likely buy from Acme again. If so, I'll probably try to order this weekend, before it gets too hot for them to ship.

Here are some issues that I'm wondering if they may have affected my success:

I don't know if maybe the bin was too dry. It was moist like a wrung out sponge but not nearly as wet as I see on all of the online pictures such as personal blogs and redwormcomposting.com. I had more concern of it drying out than being too wet.

 Mold. I know some amount of mold in a bin is normal, and I expected mold because my apartment always seems to sprout various species of mold in our food pretty easily and rapidly. However, I had pulled out moldy cardboard from the bin that seemed almost like chunks of dead animal, they were so tough and furry. Yuck! I'm not sure if that may have disturbed the worms any.

 Heat. Living in the desert, of course I kept the bin in our living room. However, digging through the bin I noticed the bottom of the first tray was slightly warm. Not very warm mind you, and the rest of the bin seemed pleasantly cool, but I did notice a bit of warmth.

Can anyone please let me know if you have an idea of what may have caused my poor wormies' death?

Thanks in advance!

Comments (8)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I can't tell you what happened but just got worms from them myself. I wanted to ask if you felt like you got a full 2lbs of worms? I know that they were bedrun & many of mine were very young, but didn't look like some of the pics people have online for thier weights. Just wondering.

    My worms seem fine so far. I have fed them almost daily... skipped Sunday & Tues (don't remember for sure) because they had some to clean up some from the previous days. I do find it hard to tell when to feed them. I've found that the peat that they sent them in sticks to everything making it hard to tell if there is food left or not. I usually disturb them too much trying to check on them. Probably trying to hard!

    I hope you find your answer! I will be watching to see what happens too as I want to be sure there's no illnesses to be on the lookout for.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hi jinaxire! More than likely the worms died of several causes. I'll list them in order. The new environment took a few likely. The cup of cooked oatmeal took lots of them (all the ones that had a chain fo beads look)(--0-0--o-0--) and so on(protein poisoning). Then the addition of too much food. The worms decay and dissapear quickly with mites and microbes feeding on them. They also stink strongly during this short decomposition period. The fresh scraps with only a few microbes on it may have taken a few (srarvation.)

    To rectify order new worms. Put in bin and let them go into coir bedding (use a light if needed). When all have gone down remove damaged worms and disguard as you did. Do NOT FEED UNTIL they are settled in (2-3 days). Then feed small chunked kitchen scraps .25 inch size. Remember your bin will have only a few microbes at this time. As the worms excreat their castings the microb population will grow. It will start processing the food making it ready for the worms. Let the microbes from the first bunch of worms stay in the bin. DO NOT CLEAN the bin. If you can start feeding the microbes before the new worms arrive only in very small amounts (jump start food processing for worms.) Worms are not really hard to keep as long as the changes they are exposed to are small and time consuming. Once you have gotten them started you will be more puzzled as to why the first ones died. Once established they are very resilient.

    larry

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Suziqzer, I admit that I didn't really think that the worms seemed like 2 pounds, but then again, I didn't actually dig through the shipment so I don't know what they all looked like before they scrambled to hide under cover. I'll keep a sharper eye on the next shipment. I'd go with Happy D Ranch, but Acme is in the same state so less stress on the worms.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks for the advice, Lkittle. Unfortunately, I already dumped the bin and washed it out Tuesday. I hadn't known what killed them so didn't want to risk infecting the new batch with any illnesses from the first. Since I'm in an apartment complex I'm not able to fetch what I already put in the dumpster. :(

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Sorry about your worms. Very sad to lose them all so quickly. I've had mine a month and except for trying to kill them with too much wet food they've been thriving. I redid my bin to dry it out and can tell you I saw some white mites, a few red ones a few pot worms and lots of cocoons. None of the worms were dead upon arrival. I just wonder about your source? I know you have to expect some other life with the worms but you seem to have alot for a two week old bin.
    Best of luck to your with your new herd.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Wow... feed them one wrong thing and lose them all? I wouldn't have thought oatmeal would do it either-too many carbs?

    My worms from Acme are still doing ok. Just checked the a little while ago. I didn't get any potworms in mine as far as I could see & haven't seen any yet.

    I've had them just over a week with no problems except that I can't leave them alone. I guess I'm in the newness stage and they are so interesting to me.

    I hope your next order works out better!! Good luck!

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    WHOA, y'all!

    We are talking about composting with worms; not brain surgery.
    I've been at it for decades; probably lost one wriggler along the way, but the little guys all seem happy and reproduce wildly.

    They need damp pulp bedding: paper, cardboard, fiber whatever.

    They are gourmands of slime mold on rotting vegetation. Fluids from the molding process can be absorbed with more cardboard/paper, and the wrigglers will eat that, too.

    A fabulous GREEN EARTH moment goes awry when dollars are thrown at purchasing yuppie digs and deli treats.

    Most little varmits that find a way into a maintained vermicomposting environment will not do great harm. They will die off or be evicted when you renovate the bin.

    FYI: Sometimes I am away for 2 months at a time. I "bed down" the bins by adding a layer of damp bedding, a layer of food, and another layer of damp bedding. I often soak the middle layer of bedding in sugar water! CARBS.

    Please do not become discouraged. And try very hard to get worms from someone locally. I give away "bin starters", but I do not ship.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have had my worms for a couple of months now and have actually divided them into two bins due to so many worms. I don't do a whole lot more than give them my kitchen scraps.

    It is my understanding that worms don't feed on the scraps themselves but rather on the bacteria feeding on the scraps. I add crushed eggshells which I am told adds the bacteria that the worms need.

    I had to chuckle about cooking oatmeal for your worms. Sounds like something my mother would have done :)

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