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Questions about using shale in beds...

19 years ago

A little background info for you first...

I have put in a couple of beds and amended the soil with shale and compost. Having said that, I have about 5-6" of soil before I hit clay.

Now, the first bed I put in (in a fence corner about 7x7), I added one 40lb bag of shale and a 2cu ft bag of compost...it raised it nicely and seems to be fine. This is what someone at Redenta's nursery told me I needed to do for the soil.

I am going to be putting in a new bed this weekend. It will be on the side of my house and will butt up against the fence. The area is about 16ft long against the house and will taper down in width from the 4ft against the fence to the the driveway. This side of the house faces west and we are on the lower end of our street and there are no gutters. I also haven't dug in that soil yet but I'm assuming it has just as much clay as my other soil...

Here's the question...I went today to get shale from Redenta's and the guy told me I needed 12-15 bags!!! I was shocked and confused. Does this seem right? I was told something completely different before. Help, I'm thoroughly confused as to what to do. I want it to drain correctly since it will get a good bit of water from the sprinkler and runoff but that seemed a bit excessive!

TIA for any ideas!!!

Comments (6)

  • 19 years ago

    This is an online calculator for calculating the depth of compost to mix with the soil, but you can also use it for any amendment. See if this is close to what Redenta's told you and then go with the lower figure. That expanded shale is very expensive.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Soil Amendment Calculator

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks for the link denisew...
    I put in my info and it says I need 1.2cu yd of material. So, how does that translate into 40lb bags of shale?
    That would also mean I need 1.2cu yd of compost...it comes in 2cu ft bags. How does that convert?

  • 19 years ago

    Here's a formula or 2 cu ft. bags of anything.

    Square feet X inches (In decimal divisions of feet ie. 3" = 0.25 feet, 4" = 0.33 feet) divided by 27 to get cu. yards. Then multiply by 13.5 (the number of 2 cu ft. bags in a yard)

    So, you would do, (49 X .25) / 27 = 0.4530737 yards
    0.4530737 X 13.5 = 6.11 bags

    If you are using 3 cu foot bags, just multiply by 9 instead of 13.5

    I don't know how that translates into 40 pound bags, but I'd be concentrating on mixing in good cotton bur compost and use the shale as a secondary ammendment you can do easily without.

    Hope this helps and doesn't confuse.

    Sally

  • 19 years ago

    I agree with Sally.

    So far as I am concerned, the shale is just something for them to sell. It isn't necessarily something we need to use.

    I have clay soil as well, and have amended it with compost from the cotton gin and my compost piles. It is friable up to my elbows in beds that are not walked on, after 3 years. It gets better every year.

    Good luck.

    Janie

  • 18 years ago

    My calculation is probably too late for you. According to my calculation, you need 14 bags to fill 1.2 cu. yard and very close to Redenta's calculations of 12-15 bags.

    I googled the density conversion factor for light-weight expanded shale, and itÂs 30-50 lb/ft3. I chose the 50 lb/ft3 density figure as the representative conversion factor.

    At your 1.2 cu yd required depth of area x 27 ft3/cu.yd x 65 lb/ft3 x bag/40 lbs = 52.65 bags, or you need 53 bags to fill the area with 6" depth.

    Assuming you mix in 1/4 shale with 3/4 soil and compost (or whatever shale amendment ratio you choose for your 1.2 cu.yd bed), then you would need 1/4 of 53 bags, which is 13.25 or at least 14 bags. If you want to amend the top 6" of your bed with 50:50 shale/compost-soil for more porosity, then you would need more bags of shale or 1/2 of 53 bags, which would be 27 bags.

  • 18 years ago

    Sorry I used the wet 65 lb/ft3 density unit instead of the stated dry 50 lbs/ft3, so it would be 41 bags instead of 53 bags at 100% coverage. You would need less or 11 bags of shale (instead of 14) if you want to use 1/4 shale with 3/4 compost-soil to cover the required area. You get the idea. Redenta's calculation of 12-15 bags is about right.

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