Many of the DWs these days have a crystal cycle - I know my KA does and Miele definitely does. I still wash all my Riedel by hand though, both the Vignum and Sommelier series although the Vignum can be washed in a DW. The one time I did, a glass fell over and broke!

We put our reidel glasses in our Miele La Perla daily on the china setting. No problems after about 100 washes. Sometimes forget to change to china setting and still has been ok.

We just use electrasol.

We have the the sommelier glasses and the nice thing about the miele is the stem guard. Previously I had a kitchenaid and would not have let it wash nice glassware. I've broken a few of them but my dishwasher hasn't.

I admit to being nervous the first time I ran the cycle with them in it but I've found that draining a glass (or two) of its, ahem, contents significantly reduces the peri-wash anxiety...

Lonestarstate, you just made me lol. THAT is funny.

We wash our Riedels & other stemware in our Miele Excella all the time, but never dared to with other DWs.

Thanks everyone! It sounds like Miele is a winner (and of course old-fashioned hand washing :))

I've never washed the Riedel Os any other way but the Miele on C&C with half a tab (broke too previous wine glasses by handwashing) -- those do fine with the stem guard including the very fragile Champagnes.

FWIW I also wash my antique etched water and juice glasses (used for various fermented alcoholic grape juice drinks) in the DW and all the antique gold-rims (supposedly a no-no) without incident but it's been ok probably due to the warm-only cycle and so very little detergent.

The reason the Miele has a china setting on some models is because you are able to hook the unit up to cold water instead of hot. This is also typical of European made dishwashers. Therefore; the china setting is able to wash at a lower temp. and my understanding is this is what you want for china.

Wiessman said "Many of the DWs these days have a crystal cycle - I know my KA does and Miele definitely does."

How would that work on a KA? Wouldn't the temp then be too high?