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Wolf/Subzero prices?

17 years ago

Has anyone been in the market for Wolf and Subzero and had any success in negotiating prices, especially since the begining of the year? Or is this a waste of time? In general how much of a discount from retail can I expect to see in this market?

Comments (16)

  • 17 years ago

    I was able to get my wolf discounted by buying a floor model, it was used for demonstrations in the store. I was told that there is a set price for all the stores. They were going to have it cleaned and have it like new for me. They're holding it for me till the kitchen is ready.

  • 17 years ago

    I've found some play in the prices of a few higher end American brands, like Monogram. Not listed, but "promotional". For the rest, it's more a matter of not putting through planned increases rather than actually reducing prices.

  • 17 years ago

    I found that floor models are the way to go. I was quoted $5849 for sub zero 650S and $1588 for 36" gas top CT36S. I"m not sure if these are good prices. What to you guys think.

  • 17 years ago

    Just bought Wolf & SubZero appliances and the best I got was %5 off list.

    playxbox

  • 17 years ago

    I priced them at three places in town - no discount. I ended up putting $2000 down to hold the '08 prices. They usually increase in Feb. but so far I don't think they have had an increase this year yet.

  • 17 years ago

    playxbox, How did you get them to come down the 5%? I'm set to order mine next week.

  • 17 years ago

    playbox says 5% off list not umrp which is minimum sell which is probably 5% off list

  • 17 years ago

    Eastcoastmom - As Guadalupe mentions, the Wolf/Subzero prices are dictated by UMRP. If you are unfamiliar with that acronym, it stands for Unilateral Minimum Resale Price. In other words, Subzero dictates the minimum price a retailer can sell its Subzero/Wolf appliances. If a retailer dares to sell below that price, that retailer will be unceremoniously dropped from Subzero distribution. This policy means that you can shop for a Subzero in Chicago, New York, LA, or Podunk, and the price will be nearly the same at all of them.

    What retailers do to compete on these appliances, since they can't compete on price, is to offer non-cash incentives. For example, free delivery and installation, extend the warranty, discount other Non-Subzero appliances you might be buying, or throw in a garbage disposer (make sure it's a disposer you'd want!).

    The topic of UMRP has been heatedly debated on this forum with advocates for both sides. Whether you agree or disagree, it's a fact of life if you are trying to buy Subzero/Wolf appliances.

  • 17 years ago

    Thank you for all of the informative responses. Much as you all say, my quotes were all pretty close to one another (though not identical). It looks to be about 5% off list around here, too.

    To give an example, the Subzero 48 inch side by side with no ice dispenser was 7770. Does that sound right?

  • 17 years ago

    Thats for the unit and you are putting wood panels on the unit

  • 17 years ago

    AS AKchicago says, You can get them to "throw" in other appliances that aren't UMRP for free to get the actually discount % down. If you are buying a wolf range and fridge you can probably get another 5%-7% in other items. I got my Sharp MW drawer for free with my range and fridge. They also gave me free extended warranties on everything. I could have gotten a $1000 DW for free as well.
    Good luck!

  • 17 years ago

    I worked with a Kitchen Designer and got price quotes from her for Subzero/Wolf Appliances.

    I then started to shop around online and found rebates from other stores. Sent the rebates to local Appliance Stores and they came back with 5% off including the Kitchen Designer.

    There is not much room there and I was tempted to buy Thermador who has what looks like a terrific rebate going on now.

    I live in Dutchess County, NY.

    playxbox

    Here is a link that might be useful: Thermador One,Two,Free

  • 17 years ago

    guadalupe, Yes, that's for a panel ready unit.

    playxbox, I was pretty tempted to consider Thermador for wall oven(s) but am concerned about reliability. One of the appliance salespeople I spoke to acknowledged but says that the company has recently addressed these issues.

  • 17 years ago

    Problem is,is that this is the third time in 2 years Thermador had to face issues

  • 4 years ago

    Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize prices or price levels. Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other competitive terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor. When purchasers make choices about what products and services to buy, they expect that the price has been determined on the basis of supply and demand, not by an agreement among competitors. When competitors agree to restrict competition, the result is often higher prices. Price fixing also includes agreements among competing purchasers or competing employers about the prices or wages they will pay. Price fixing is a major concern of government antitrust enforcement. Individuals and companies that knowingly enter price-fixing agreements are routinely investigated by the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies and can be criminally prosecuted. Potential penalties include lengthy terms of imprisonment (up to ten years) and large fines (up to $1 million for individuals, $100 million for companies, or twice the gain or loss from the offense). Where appropriate, the FTC may also bring a civil enforcement action.

    A naked agreement among competitors to fix prices is almost always illegal, whether prices are specified at a minimum, maximum, or within some range. Illegal price fixing occurs whenever two or more competitors agree to take actions to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize the price of any product or service. Price-fixing schemes are often worked out in secret and can be hard to uncover, but an agreement can be discovered from "circumstantial" evidence. For example, if direct competitors have a pattern of unexplained identical contract terms or price behavior together with other factors (such as the lack of legitimate, independent business explanation), unlawful price fixing may be the reason. Invitations to coordinate prices also can raise concerns, as when one competitor announces publicly that it is willing to end a price war or raise prices if its rival is willing to do the same.

  • 4 years ago

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