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Thermosoft travails...caveat emptor...

18 years ago

Well, our vastly disappointing Themosoft experience is continuing to be so. I'm afraid they're not taking the high road and honoring their warranty, and I'd advise anyone considering floor heat to look around further and not stop at Thermosoft.

After knowing everything we've been through, the multiple splice kits they've sent us, the advice we've asked, etc., they are actually trying to tell DH that they don't believe us (*or* our electrician), and that they won't refund the money we spent on their defective product until we *pull up all our tile* and send the mats back. Completely transparent scam move. :(

I won't rehearse every step of the process here, but the short version is that one mat worked from the start, another mat had to be cut and spliced a lot (electrician never found a nick--he concluded from where the splices had to be before it worked that it was a flaw inside the wire) before it worked, and then they both suddenly pooped out after having been functional, one for weeks and one for hours. It's clearly not an installation problem, it's a QA issue with the wiring itself.

The insulting accusations that their rep made to my DH today are completely beneath what I would expect from an upright company. We offered to send back the thermostat, the lead wire--everything that makes sense. He's still saying that we're trying to deceive them. Projection, perhaps? Who in their right mind would tear up a cured tile installation to get wires that would probably not survive the pulling-up in order to make a warranty claim on a product that costs less than it would cost to redo the tile? It's possible that that's precisely what they must have been bargaining on--that people would be disgusted and give up. But we're principled enough to believe that companies should stand by their warranties and do business ethically.

I'm sickened by this, and don't want anyone else to have to suffer what we have. I needed this heated floor for my health (we were ready to put it in a lot of the rest of the house if it had worked, when we change out the carpet for hardwood) so we were *really* hoping it would work out. We didn't need this to happen at all.

Unless Thermosoft suddenly discovers a customer-service spine and will stand up and do the right thing, I would really recommend g'webbers consider twice before doing business with them.

Comments (5)

  • 18 years ago

    Ugh, I'm really sorry you've had such a tough time with this - especially since it's not just a "luxury" item for you but something that you actually need for your health and well being. I'm sure it just adds insult to injury that the company is treating you like crap. They suck, what more can I say?

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks, lisa...to have them act like this when we've gone through so much and tried so hard is really kicking us when we're down. I won't recommend Thermosoft to anyone and I hope our experience can save other folks some trouble, at least.

    Sweet DH was actually looking for under-rug heaters for my pathetic feet today as a consolation prize. I really don't want carpet in the house but we literally have to have the entire floor covered in rugs otherwise, or find a much better-made heating system to try with the hardwoods when we install them. Thinking about the prospect of bothering to try this again just makes my stomach knot up, though.

  • 18 years ago

    Flyleft,

    Sorry to hear about this experience. It makes me mad!

    What a nightmare to pull up tile! I would be livid...

    Thanks for warning others about this company. Luckily, google searches rank GW posting VERY high. anyone doing a search for their product is bound to find this thread.

    we should start a new forum on product/company ratings and experiences.

  • 18 years ago

    flyleft - having not seen their warranty I cannot offer specific advice. BUT, if it does not expressly exclude consequential damages, then they would potentially be on the hook for the cost of replacement, PLUS cost of putting it in and tearing it out. Also, under the federal Magnuson Moss warranty act (and possibly your state Article 2 Uniform Commercial Code), the product's failure to be fit for its intended purpose is a statutorily-implied warranty breach that cannot be disclaimed. Your state may also have its own consumer protection statute that would apply, usually under a name such as Deceptive Trade Practices Act (again, when a product or service does not do what the maker says it will do). These acts usually provide for attorney fees and there are attorneys who specialize in these types of claims for that very reason - I know, I defend the manufacturers, making a good living by making the world safe for corporate greed!! Manufacturers often TRY to limit consumers to the replacment cost of the product itself, knowing that "cure" may come at too high a price and scare off claimants. Scare them back.

    Or trash them on sites like this one. Myself -- you convinced me to avoid them. Going with Sun Touch.

  • 18 years ago

    pharoah, thanks for your post. This morning I'm still shaking my head that a company rep could be so rude. It's distasteful to have to deal with, but if anything, his attitude is making us more determined.

    bradley, you corporate demon :)...I'm really glad you shared your knowledge. You've mentioned several avenues we can explore. There is a "not liable ...for any consequential, incidental, economic [etc.] damages" sentence, but it also continues that "some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you." I'll go look up the UCC for Oregon today.

    It kills me that the warranty says "return the claim form along with the defective product". Right. Aren't they clever. Re implied warranty: "this limited warranty is given in lieu of implied warranties. Implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for particular purpose are disclaimed." Is that possible?

    btw, the actual warranty is not available anywhere for perusal online; it comes only in the instruction manual you receive in the shipment *after* you've ordered your wires.

    Flat out, their product failed, once after weeks of fine service and once after hours of service (and hundreds of dollars of extra electrician costs). We will firmly and politely continue what anyone in our situation would do.

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