"But does it make up for the absence of a water dispenser with better temperature stability? lower noise? better reliability? better service?"

yes
yes
usually
yes

"what are all the extra dollars for"

made in USA
better and higher quality components
history
better service network
better design and features - arguable though
snob appeal
longer warranty

alto I am a fan of US companies, Antss, do you really think the SZ is using "better and higher quakity components" than Liebher or Jenn-Air?

Last time I checked, SZ was still using the same old compressor that had been invented "Eons ago" Compressor like an on/off switch--Full on / Full off.
More than likely tecumseh compressors that powered your "Grannies Fridge"

Liebher, like Jenn-air, uses the variable speed compressor
so like some of the newer ovens that can maintain xlnt baking temp control, in that they do not cycle on/off but instead adjust the oven burners as needed to mauntain "Precise control"--It turns it up or down a little, as required.

Seems to me that such a fridge (variable speed compressor) would maintain the frige/freezer temp much the same way?

As I mentioned in another post, My Jennair--which displays the "Actual temp of the Frige" is almost always at 37F
After the 10 hour power failure last nite, with power back on at 4AM, I watched it cool down, It actually allowed the freezer to get a "couple degrees higher"-still below freezing, in order to get the fridge quicky back to 37F.

I supect these variable compressors will prove to be more reliable in the long run too. Think about it, have you ever been sitting under a lamp and have it burn out--pretty rare, it usually blows when you turn it on, Ive had "Slow start dimmers in my house since 2006 and have yet to "Blow a bulb" and they are just standard old incandescents, cept for the kitchen which is Hallogen & Xenon.

So I at least wonder if SZ is using the "Latest and greatest parts" and the newest Technology.

I do concurr with your "Snob appeal"
One user even posted, "To the effect" that He may agree with me comparing reliailities between the Jenn-air and SZ Fridges, but--- He said "His Neighborhood expected to see SZ

Asi Es La Vida!

Gary

I think that SZ ran on its reputation for a few years instead of trying to keep up with competitors or beat them. Buyers who want what antss already pointed out will buy no matter what.

Over 20 years ago, I stumbled on a 36" all fridge floor model Sub-Zero and decided to replace my old Kenmore combo. We built in the new fridge only and I use my freezer in the adjoining laundry room. At the time, SZ was the only company to my knowledge to make an all fridge for consumer use. I was buying it for the size and convenience NOT the SZ name.

Fast forward 22 years and I'm planning a new build.... I'll definitely go with SZ. Why? Because the old workhouse SZ still looks NEW inside (and out as it has a panel). All four drawers perfect, wire basket without a mark or peel, shelves beautiful, side walls still bright, plastic covering over upper light not yellowed, etc.

I'd be willing to bet there's not another brand of fridge from that era that helped feed a family of six (all boys) for 23 years that doesn't look ready for the junk heap inside. It's quiet, doesn't run all the time, and has only had a couple of minor repairs in its lifetime.

My husband was waffling on whether we should go with SZ in the new build. I took him with me to the appliance store last month and had him open every refrigerator there, fiddle with the bins etc.... after about 5 minutes, he sheepishly admitted that Yes, there was a definite difference in the solid feel, fit and layout of the SZ.

Since the refrigerator is probably the most commonly touched and used things in a house, I'll be biting the bullet and going with SZ again. Do I wish it were cheaper? You bet!!!

Interesting how "Folks have Different tastes" Actually A good thing, or if everybody wanted the same thing it would get very boring--(to me like going to a car show and seeing all Chebbies). In 2005 we did the same as you did.
I took my wife with me to Pacific Sales. We were all set to buy the SZ as a dear friend (who always wanted one, but didn't have the budget--said "That's the one"

We wanted a panneled 48" built in one. Back in 2005 you only had about 3 choices. SZ, GE and Jenn-air. The GE was out, we didn't prticularly like it's look and weren't that impressed with the GE we had then.

So we looked at the SZ, kind of found it spartan inside and kinda "Utilitarian Looking" on the outside--especially the big vent grill at the top.

We decided to wait a bit longer as Pacific Sales said some more "Big Ones" were coming in.

They did and one was the Jenn-air. We really liked the inside, well lit, even the icemaker. It had digital controls and readouts (4 0f them) 3 for the fridge and 1 for the freezer (Being a Techie, Electronic Engineer) that got my attention. We like the ways the shelves adjusted some even have a crank handle.

Anyway, "To US", it was a much more modern desigh than the SZ, and checking Consumer Reports (ya I know), it showed JA fridges rated # 1 for reliablitiy and SZ (as I recall Was last). This was later explained as a "bad copper problem" from about 2004-2007 (smack dab in the time frame we would have bought it).

Anyway Good Luck with your choice and I certainly hope it serves you as well as ours has.

Gary

""But does it make up for the absence of a water dispenser with better temperature stability? lower noise? better reliability? better service""

I agree with Antss although the Jenn Air will keep the temp within .5 degrees of the setting.

I am not impressed witht the Liebherr. It is 2 inches shallower than Sub and Jenn Air. Need it for venting. Also, biofresh is dated technology.

If you have only 36" AND want a dispenser, Jenn Air or Kitchen Aid would be the way to go,

Everyone has to decide what is most important to him/her in the purchase of appliances. I purchased my first SZ 650 fridge in 2005 when I remodeled my house. Prior to that I'd had a variety of fridges -- Kenmore (worked for 30 years), GE, Amana (a good, basic work horse), and my last fridge was a high end GE in my last house (that had the bells & whistles on the outside of the door...water, ice, crushed ice, etc.). And this is my first SZ.

The SZ is, by far and away, the best refrigerator I've ever owned. For me, the most important trait in a refrigerator is keeping fruit & veggies fresh. The high end GE was a total disappointment in this regard. Produce detriorated so quickly in that fridge (installed in 1993 in my last house), I was amazed. I expected a much better performance. So, springing for the SZ in this house was a "must do" for me, given my desire for fresh produce, that keeps fresh a long time.

I've never had produce stay so fresh for so long, and am very happy with my purchase. The SZ is dependable....I've not had a moment's trouble with it since it was installed in 2005. There's actually quite a bit of refrigerator room, and freezer room in the 650. I'll trade these attributes for water/ice in the door any day.

But, every person's needs are different. I do think SZ is worth the money you pay for it, if it has the features you want. It's classic. SZ stands behind its products. SZ is timeless in appearance -- inside & out. And it performs consistently and beautifully.

dodge- have ya looked at a Liebherr fridge lately? Their freezer drawer plastic is really thin and so is the glass. Hinges are a bit on the light sige in my opinion too. Have you looked at SZ's air filtering unit? Stainless Steel? Yes, SZ is using better quality materials. Better technology? Doubtful- but I think the jury i still out.

Re: JA , that's a bit harder as I don't spend a lot of time with them, but when I went over them at KBIS I liked what I saw. Price is such that they aren't a compelling buy in my view unless one just likes the layout or styling over something else. You're right, choice is great.

SZ is lacking on the sealed system front though. It seems that the industry is headed toward variable speed technology, JA 's had it for 7-8 years now. SZ takes the "tried and true" approach. Their system is very solid and proven so why change it, is their rational. Short sited if you ask me. Don't be surprised if you see it on the 700 series replacement.

To tell the truth Antss, I have not personally looked at the Liebherr fridges. I did check up on the specifications
for the compressors etc. Did see a lot of posts that indicated that folks that bought them seemed really happy, some (even short ones) didn't even complain about having to stretch to reach the top shelf. I guess that does mean the compressor is on the bottom, and if so, one might want to read the post from the user that had dogs--they wanted one with compressor up top the JA compressor is there too.
Thanks for the update on the quality of the interior I went and looked at mine again, and it looks solid to me.
I suspect soon we hear all about SZ's "Radical new variable speeed Sealed system---Ya think??
Best Regards!

Gary

Can you get a Sub Zero in a freestanding model?

The reliability/repair ratings are subject to interpretation. I believe that people are more likely to repair expensive and/or high quality appliances, whereas they might opt to ditch cheaper ones that have a few things wrong (broken shelves or plastics, for example) and/or that they don't like that much anyway. The last time I looked at CR's survey, it explicitly asked about repairs but not about appliance malfunctions. CR probably thinks repairs are more objective (memorable?), but I think asking only about the times people decide to call a repair service biases the results.

That's actually a good point andersons. Our current Kenmore (Amana) bottom mount freezes anything in the crisper drawer. My wife just took the drawers out and puts stuff there that she doesn't care as much about. We haven't bothered calling for a repair because we're planning to get a new fridge in our reno, and this one's probably going into the basement. If we took CR's survey, I'd have to answer honestly that I had no repairs with this fridge!

I wouldn't even buy a Subzero even WITH the name plate. To me, it represents the uneducated masses buying garbage for a name.

I recently stayed in a friend's multimillion-dollar vacation home -- it was built in 1991, I believe, with top-of-the-line appliances. The only ones that didn't look like crap at 20 years of age were the 2 SubZeros and the Traulsen in the pantry, and the Miele dishwashers (I think the DWs might not have been original to the house, though. The SZs definitely were.)

I love my SZ so far, and seeing the old ones gave me a bit of relief.

To me, it represents the uneducated masses buying garbage for a name.

Uneducated masses can afford Sub-Zero? lol

This is an interesting thread for me, as I don't know much of anything about SubZero.

Can I ask two things.

1. How do you think SubZero compares to commercial brands like True and Traulsen? Not in convenience or styling, but in performance? I'm mostly interested in the ability to hold stable -5F to -10F for freezer and +32F to +34F for cooler, and to recover to those temps quickly when something large and warm is placed in the refrigerator. And how about in reliability?

2. What is the street price of a typical SubZero? I think of them as $10K refrigerators (for a 48'' ) but haven't done the homework.

I'm someone who recently bought a Sub-Zero (36-BI) and I'll tell you why. I wasn't one of those who had to have a Sub-Zero for the name and I certainly didn't want to spend that much money. I wanted a 36" built-in. I have a vegetable garden and I shop the Farmer's Market a lot. I needed plenty of space for fruits and vegetables as well as space for everything else that I put in the refrigerator.

I looked at the Miele, the KA, the JA, and the Liebherr. The Sub-Zero had far more storage for the things that I put in in the refrigerator than the others. The shelves were slightly deeper and allowed me to store more. The Miele ran second. For the price, I didn't feel that the JA and KA drawers were as solid as the Sub-Zero and the vegetable storage was more limited. And although it wasn't a major factor, I did like buying something made in the USA. After doing research I found that some people had not had problems while others did. Kind of like every other product out there. I decided that since SZ had been doing this for so long that it seemed like a good bet (knowing that you take your chances with any product that you buy these days).

So far I love my SZ for the month that I've been using it. It keeps food fresh and not only can I find everything in there, so can my husband;) It feels really well-built and solid unlike any other frig that I've owned. I have one tiny complaint and one caveat for other buyers. The complaint is the darn alarm. I wish I could adjust the timing so that it would give me more time to look in the frig before it went off. I know that I can shut if off easily but that defeats the purpose if I forget to turn it back on. The caveat is for those want a lot of freezer space. It doesn't have a huge amount and things can get lost in there (although that is a problem for all bottom-drawer freezers). I have my old refrigerator/freezer in the garage so it's not an issue for me but it might be for someone else. BTW, I love the ice tray and the ice is really good. Also, the unit is really quiet.

Prices: our BI-36 was about $8K at the local appliance shop. We also bought a set of SZ drawers on Craigslist for $1K, and they have worked fine. Seems like there are always a lot of SZs on CL or ebay for good prices ...

John, I have a 4 1/2 year-old True 49 cu. feet all stainless "reach-in". It's a very noisy refrigerator, very industrial, and has only wire racks, which are not optimal. You might be able to add glass or acrylic liners or something, but I'm not sure that doing so wouldn't impede air circulation. The refrigerator experts may want to weigh in on that. It had a dent on a side that doesn't show because it's built into an enclosure (well, it looks like it is, it actually has clearance around it, but you cannot tell in front). It was $1800 + tax, free delivery unless a lift gate was needed. I do not know the current prices. It is the only refrigerator that I have ever owned that has held everything. There is always room. Say I want to chill something while baking--I can place the whole baking sheet inside without clearing space, rearranging, etc. It has been fabulous in terms of preserving freshness. We eat lots of salads and do a lot of stir frying. I find that vegetables take up lots of room and the True has been wonderfully accommodating in that regard. Ideally, I would have had the remote compressor done, but I didn't plan for that and do not know how I could have had that given the current location of the unit. I never considered a Subzero because, years ago, when I was a real estate broker, I went into too many homes that had problem Subzeros. I suspect that I need to update my image of them, but when we built this house, it was that sour image that lingered. (I now think one has to update appliance reviews just about daily since they seem to change so rapidly, but that's an aside.) My husband loves the True and would buy it again in a heartbeat. It has never had any problems. I do need to get on a ladder when I clean it, but I would probably need to do that with most of the new generation of built-ins, too. I believe most people on this forum would not ever consider owning one of these, at least not in the kitchen, due to its lack of both sleekness and quietness. However, for price, size, and function, it's great. I can't compare it to recent versions of other refrigerators because I've not used others on a regular basis for over four years now, other than some under the counter ones in the game room and an Adler-Barber 12V on the boat.

My True is only a refrigerator, so I have no experience from which to answer your question about freezer performance. The refrigerator temperature recovery is excellent.

What I don't understand about the Jenn Air variable speed compressor is that no where on their site do they mention it. Google Jenn Air refrig and it comes up. Go to AJ Madison and it comes up(but I never trust AJ Madison specs), but nothing on the JA site. Kitchen Aid doesn't promote theirs either and they are functionally the same in most regards.
I would think this would be important to them to promote. Gary's sold on it and Perlick markets theirs as THE way to go. Hmmm? Any thoughts? Anyone? Bueller?

Hmmm. Either the prices have gone way up since I bought last June ('09) or I got a great deal. Our SZ BI-48 was less than $7500 (fully integrated, no in-door dispenser). I really like the fact that it has a cold burst cycle that kicks in when the doors have been opened for more than a few seconds. It recovers the temperature extremely fast. I also like the humidity control: absolutely nothing in the freezer even thinks about sticking together, including the ice cubes.
PS There's no name tag on either door. I'm not into that. I'd buy this unit again in a heartbeat.

From the Jenn-air Web site.
It describes the features of
the fridge,""Precision Temperature Management system with
variable-speed compressor."

Click the URL at the bottom of my post
then click "All Features" on the right
side of that page.

You should probably do this for any JA
fridge just to be sure the particular
model you may be interested in does
have the variable speed compressor as
I'm not sure (until I do that) that
EVERY New JA Fridge uses the variable
speed compressor.

Gary

Here is a link that might be useful: Jenn-air variable speed compressor

I've now owned 3 homes in a row that all came with sub-zeroes in them and I have to say, they do the single most important thing for me FAR better than any other fridge I've ever owned or used -- what's that? Keep veggies and fruit fresh.

I've taken herbs from the market (or garden), stood them in a glass of water, and still had them look perfect 20 days later. Lettuce stays fresh for 2 weeks. It's incredible. Almost like magic.

Other brands may work as well, but a few close friends endlessly lament how quickly their vegetables wilt in comparison to my SZ.

Peter

Buffalotina, I considered getting Sub-zero as freestanding but my contractor ended up doing a built-in. A salesperson told me that I could do it as freestanding but would need to get the two side panels which cost $750 each. Since Sub-zero is supposed to be built-in, it does not have finished sides. By getting side panels, you can make it freestanding because the sides are finished. You should call them and confirm though, since I am going by what the salesperson told me, and even considered doing that till I changed my kitchen plan.

My Sub-zero is still very new having just been installed last month, and I have not yet stored anything in it. Initially I had no intention of spending $$$$ on Sub-zero. But I went to stores and checked out every single refrigerator including Leibherr. I did not like any of them - they seemed a bit cheap in the sense that their plastic drawers did not seem as sturdy. I saw the Sub-zero and fell in love. It looks very nice in my kitchen. DH says that you can get a higher sales value by having quality appliances especially if your kitchen is high-end. So we decided to go with it.

Not to spoil the party, but...

I don't know if Sub Zero advertise it or not, but I have seen on the web several parts lists for 600 and 700 series SZ fridges with VS compressors. Also on a forum I found this: "Sub Zero, Kitchen Aide and Jenn-Air "Alaska" are using a new technologically advanced compressor from Embraco...The new Variable Capacity Compressor runs continually at varying speeds depending on the cooling required."

As to the noisy one, if it's new it is supposed to run most of the time. The noise, however, is a different problem. I have found that sometimes the grill on top is misplaced and vibrates. Check that out. A little felt on the bottom of the grill might solve the noise problem.

FWIW, I had a SZ 500 series that was moved three times over 20 years and dropped and never stopped working. What I like about them is the complete usefulness of the interior, the complete separation of freezer and fridge components which eliminates odor problems, the incredible fresh vegetables, and the rock solid build. ON the down side is the lack of water in the door on some models, but even with five boys in the house, its not a problem for us. Probably a benefit, in fact.

PS, If you plan to sell a high end house, you had better have SZ in your kitchen. Snob appeal or not, not having them does affect the overall appeal for many buyers.

Here is a link that might be useful: Variable Speed Sub Zero

Hmmm. I bought my SubZero 632 (48-inch side by side built in) at the end of 2007 but only fired it up this summer. It seems to be working very well. It is quiet, but can be heard if nothing else is making noise in the kitchen.

When I fired it up I used a traceable thermometer to check it out. (Note that this is not the best way to test normal operation, as normally there would be significant thermal mass in the refrigerator and freezer that will stabilize the temperature.) There were a few degrees of wander in the temperature around the setting when measured in various spots in the refrigerator, but the average was what was set on the display. This was also true of the freezer.

I was initially concerned about the temperature in the drawers at the bottom, but found out from SZ that these were not for meats, but for produce. The meat storage is in the middle area and has an open grid on the bottom.

I need to retest now that the unit has filled with food, but my impression is that it is keeping stuff at the set temperature.

On the subject of old compressor technology: One only has to lurk here for a while to learn of the many problems new technology brings to appliances. I suspect these are due to insufficient testing or attempts to weasel the last dime out of production cost. Refrigerators made as far back as the '30s still run, for the most part, while those made more recently seem to be problematic. SZ charges enough that they shouldn't be in a position of skimping on testing.

I originally intended to buy the Electrolux Icon refrigerator and freezer separates, but when they tried to avoid responsibility for temperature control problems with a side-by-side several forum members reported here around the Fall of 2007, I decided I didn't want to deal with such a manufacturer. SZ, on the other hand, has a good record of being responsive.

Last, I have noticed an advantage to having the refrigeration equipment on top instead of underneath as was the practice for some approaches. Pet hair does not get ingested into the heat exchanger degrading its performance and posing a difficult cleaning process.

kas

My 501 R and F Sub Zeros were installed in 1987 and they're still working beautifully. Yes I've paid for repairs in the 23 years I've had them and I intend to keep them as long as possible. My repair guy said he can keep them running as long as he can get parts for them.

Sub Zero has been very fair to us. Our original compressor came with a 5 year warranty. When our compressor failed after 7 years they gave us the parts for free and we paid for the labor. When my son managed to break the handle on the freezer door they mailed us 2 replacement ones at no cost. The design had changed and they wanted to make sure both units had matching handles. When I had trouble with ice build up on top of the ice maker they sent the part I needed free of charge. I think it also helps that we've used the same authorized repair company for the last 15 years. They seem to have a good working relationship with the techs back in Wisconsin.

Would my old frig do this? Brought broccoli on Dec. 22 to make casserole for Christmas Eve dinner. Didn't happen. Just got the broc out and it looks totally fresh and crisp. Having it tonight. That's all I got, folks. Just had it about 3 years. Only good to say thus far:
42-48(?) Counter depth side by side.

I purchased my subzee 650 nine years ago. I can say it has been the most carefree appliance i've ever purchased.

i bought it because it had two compressors, one for the fridge, the other for the freezer, lot's of room, freezer drawer on the bottom, and i could customize it with paneling.

it is very quiet, clean, and most of all, it holds the temp the same today as it did when new.

my only complaint is about the plastic ice level probe that broke.

thankfully, they upgraded that piece and it works beautifully.

Well, you didn't spoil the party with that info, Andre.

Except for SZ's Wine Fridge (Perlick)---I think that's SZ's, it is hard to find any info, especially from SZ, about their use of a variable speed compressor.

Doing searches for same , along with looking at the link you gave, I was able to track down some posts, (Mainly on Refrigration repair sites), where it does appear that the newer SZ's are indeed using the newer VSC technology.

Good to see that they are only 5 years or so behind Jenn-air, alto both companies need to do a better job listing the features of their fridges, especially the technical ones.
This compressor is what allowed the JA to claim .5 Degree accuracy and I'm sure SZ will follow with a similar claim.

If you have any doubts as to the value of such a compressor system, just Google "Perlick Wine Fridge".

It does make ya wonder why Liebherr does a much better job of explaining Technical advantages of their fridges than do their American Competitors.

Hmmmmmm are Euros more technically inclined than us "Yanks"---In the US, Fridge Makers can just say "It keeps food fresher longer" or this or that "Latest Sales Slogan" and we Yanks BUY without having the foggiest notion of what it does and even much less at how it does it!

As I mentioned before, be careful, Not all Jenn-air or SZ's use that compressor yet (At least I can't document it) so "One Hopes" you will have a saleman that knows what a VSC is.

Gary

Gary is right about this.

When you read about faucets on German or Swiss web sites you learn stuff. Reading about faucets in English you learn almost nothing.

Same with refrigeration.

2/ I also found that SZ was riding on their reputation back in 2007-8 when I was trying to justify purchasing the best of the best. SZ looked to me like I had entered the flux time travel machine and gone back a decade to the best of the best at that time. In the end I got two small foreign made fridges instead of one big one.

hth

Interesting conversation. I was torn between a SZ and Jennair fully integrated and ended up choosing the Jennair. I felt the quality was equivalent and saving $1000 on a 42" SxS was substantial enough to sway me.

Have been using the Jennair since ~Thanksgiving and so far so good. Vegetables do indeed stay fresh a loooooong time, certainly much longer than in my former fridge. Plenty of space, quality build, temperature is maintained at a rock solid setting. It's extremely quiet, we never notice it's running. QUITE a change from the old model!

My only problem has been one of installation and aesthetics, not performance. My contractor has had a very tough time getting the install to be what I wanted--completely integrated. The motor area on top is still open, because there is a requirement for venting that ends up leaving a gap that really is too large in my opinion. He's still working on a hack for that. I have pondered whether I should have spent the extra $$ on a SZ since there doesn't seem to be any hassle on installing that. In fact my guy has done a lot of SZs and commented that the Jennair has been difficult to work with in terms of a seamless install.

Otherwise, very happy with the Jennair built-in.

When I moved into my house in 1991 the kitchen came equipped with a jenn air down draft range and a sub-zero fridge. It was my first house and I knew nothing about appliances but my realtor made note that I should be suitably impressed that the house has a SZ. I live in a 1928 tudor, which I've come to learn that people either love or hate. When people first came to see the house, if they hated the house, they would continually rave about the SZ. (I suppose they were taught that you had to say something nice) I came to resent the SZ. I have this cool house with great architectural details and all some people would comment on was the SZ. However, over time, I have forged a lovely relationship with my fridge. I love the pull out freezer. It allows you to be so organized. I love all the bins. I'll chime in with the others that the fruits and veggies keep a very long time. It's amazing what i pull out of the bins sometimes and realize when i bought it. The SZ died at 18 years old and I promptly replaced it with the same but updated model. My only comment is the difference between the new fridge and the old one is that I don't think the door on the first fridge was mounted correctly because sometimes the door would stay ajar. Not on this baby, you sometimes have to give it a 2 handed pull to open it, it has such a tight seal. My husband too. The freezer also beeps if it is ajar, which, although i hate beeping, is a nice feature.

correction not beeps but makes you aware that it is open

can anyone speak about a miele fridge? good and bad

gwilson - this is not really the thread for your question, there are several threads about Miele fridges here - do a search.

They represent some of the newest technology and best features the market has to offer right now.

SZ Fridge Compressors.
After many hours of exausting research, I finally found what compressors SZ uses. "Embraco" Now guess who owns Embraco?????? Whirlpool!!!!

As best I can tell, (and it ain't easy) some of the newer SZ's are using the newer Embraco Variable Speed Compressors.(SZ has used the older single speed Embraco Compressors for years).

I guess that was why it was so hard to find the info on SZ compressors and why it is not on SZ's site????

How can you claim, (as was done in an earlier post here), that SZ uses better parts-----Maybe the light bulbs????

This does not imply the Embraco is not a good compressor, Whirlpool in fact, was soooooo proud of it that they got sued for price fixin it----stange world---that which the compressor goes into, can and is price fixed----go figgger???

Gary

After more research, I can find no link between Perlick and SZ, so Scratch the association there--recalls I said "I think". I was under the impression that SZ made smaller Fridges, Wine Fridges etc etc, if one believes Perlicks claim about the only user of VSC's then I guess SZ's wine fridges etc are still using the older technology.

You folks might also enjoy who makes SZ icemaker---but I bet ya already guessed that---Yep!!!!!! Sharp Buncha folks here.

As far as Miele offering some of the "Newest technology & best features, How about a separate post about that?
And with facts---what compressor/compressors, what kind of lighting -----where's it made???? Turkey?
Aren't Bosch Fridges made there?----are the compressors and controller boards different from the Bosch???? etc etc.

Gary