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Half-bath - Too many switches?

17 years ago

I am doing a little remodeling project in a small, first floor half bath. The room itself is 3' x 7', with the door centered on the 7' wall. When you stand in the doorway, the sink is on the right wall and the commode is on the left wall.

I will be installing a Panasonic Whisperquiet light/fan combo and will have sconces flanking the mirror above the sink.

If everything is independently switched, I will need 4 switches (in order from closest to furthest away from entry, using 2 double gang boxes: ceiling light, fan, night light, sconces).

Does this seem like too many for such a small room?

If it is not too many in total, is it too many in one place?

We've thought about using a triple gang to control the Panasonic and put the sconces on their own switch above and to the right of the sink. That way, they can be turned on independently for makeup application and grooming, but left off when doing some "serious thinking in the office".

We're also trying to think of any situations where one would want the sconces ON, but the main light OFF. If we can't, I might power the sconce switch from the ceiling light switch. This way, setting the sconces to come on with the main lights is as easy as a flick of a switch.

The other idea was to put the fan switch in the room, but on the hinge side of the door ... that way you can kick it on from the throne. Don't laugh... in the upstairs full bath, I put the fan on a 3-way with one switch by the door and the other by the can ... very convenient.

Obviously, this is not a critical life-altering decision, but I just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on it.

Thanks!

Comments (10)

  • 17 years ago

    Do you really need the light in the fan plus the wall sconces in a room that small?

    In "public" powder rooms, I try to keep things simple. I prefer to have the fan and light on the same switch. A guest turns on the light the fan turns on too. If you wanted the fan to remain on for a while after the light was turned off, there are timer switches available. Turn the switch on, the fan and light turn on. Turn the switch off, the light turns off but the fan runs for a preselected period of time.

    While it's not my bath, I'd recommend abandoning the light in the fan. I'd have two switches. One that simultaneously controls the fan and the sconces, and another for the night light.

  • 17 years ago

    I agree with Mongo, except I think I'd put the nightlight on a photo sensor instead of a switch. Then you'd only have a double switch on the wall -- fan and sconces. Even the fan could go on an occupancy sensor instead.

    If the powder room is in a public area of the house, a Whisperquiet might not be the right fan choice. You might want something noisier.

  • 17 years ago

    Note that I truly appreciate the responses and while my comments below might sound terse, please do not take them as defensive or confrontational. I'm just trying to give you the background perspective that has brought us to where we are now.

    Do you really need the light in the fan plus the wall sconces in a room that small?

    The wall sconces are a recent design decision. We purchased the light/fan kit a long time ago (over a year), so we're going to use it. Additionally, most of the time the ceiling light would be the most appropriate lights source for the room.

    In "public" powder rooms, I try to keep things simple. I prefer to have the fan and light on the same switch. A guest turns on the light the fan turns on too.

    In our house, it is considered sacrilege to have the fan and light on a common switch. With the devices on separate switches, our fans, at most, spend less than 5% the time on that the lights do.

    I think I'd put the nightlight on a photo sensor instead of a switch.

    Even though the nightlight is only 4W, it will only be used a few minutes a week. It seems like a waste to have it on for (on average) 84 hours a week, just for 5 minutes of actual use.

  • 17 years ago

    You do have another option. In our bedroom, we used 'half-switches', so that you could have your night light and sconces in the same space as one normal switch. DH bought a timer switch for our ceiling fan- which in a guest bath may be something to consider and then fan won't be left on for hours, then a 'normal' switch for ceiling light, and you could use one triple-ganger instead of two double-gangers.

    Ours are the decora style

    Here is a link that might be useful: Decora Double Pole

  • 17 years ago

    I refused to put what was suggested to me: 3 or 4 switches at the entrance of my Master bath. I think it looks ugly.

    So, I do think it's too many switches, especially considering the size of the room.

    But, you seem committed to the # of switches you want to operate the various items, so you mentioned a few good options, and I would use them- the fan one sounds great.

    Also consider the above suggested "half switch", which I used in my Master- only then needed a double gang box in stead of the triple that would have otherwise been needed. If you put the fan switch aside, and put the sconce and the nightlight on the 1/2, then the general light on a full, you would reduce the size- and yes, the Decora Double Pole looks very nice!

  • 17 years ago

    In an old bath, I combined 3 separate switches into a triple rocker switch unit. Much cleaner and neater.

    You could do that, plus put the nightlight on an occupancy sensor with a photo shutoff (if I am calling it the right thing). It's like motion sensors for outdoor lights. They only come on when something moves AND it's dark.

  • 17 years ago

    Unless you use the room for something other than # 1 and 2, an overhead light is overkill IMO. If you can't get rid of the light you already purchased, get used to the extra switch for it.

    We use a cheap, plug in LED night light on a sensor that uses 2 pennies a month to operate. It's more than sufficient to light the small space.

  • 17 years ago

    You could eliminate one of the switches if you left the overhead light and fan on the same switch. Since it sounds like the overhead light is not necessary, just have it as an "extra" light when you turn on the fan. Then if you want just light you flip on the sconces, and if you want light and fan you flip on the fan.

    And I'd use a nightlight that doesn't require hard wiring and a switch.

    If your lifestyles and desires require you to never have any unnecessary electrical fixtures ever on, then you should just bite the bullet and have 4 switches.

  • 17 years ago

    I have the same fan and it was just wired in last week. I bought the electrician a triple rocker switch so the fan,light and nightlight only take up the space of a single switch.

    Also..the nightlight is optional if you wanted to not wire it in. In a powder room, you may not need it.

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for the responses. We've decided to forgo the nightlight since we don't have one in there now (though I will still pull the wire for it, just in case).

    We're going to leave the double-gang by the door (light, fan) and expand the single convenience outlet on the opposite wall to a double-gang and add the sconce switch there.