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new corner sink

15 years ago

Hello Garden Web members--

Lots of helpful information on starting a kitchen re-do. We want to move a sink to a corner to create an L-shaped design instead of a galley style. Lowe's talked about a "butterfly sink". Have you seen this? Lowe's didn't have a picture or sample and this is still confusing to me. We would only have to move plumbing a few feet and this would give us a lot more working space.

Comments (13)

  • 15 years ago

    Corner sinks are a great idea, but the butterfly shape is a TERRIBLE idea. Don't get a butterfly sink! Neither bowl will be big enough to do anything, and if you want to transfer something from one bowl to the other, it will be dripping across the space in between them. Butterfly sinks are just bad design, and whoever at Lowe's suggested it to you, do NOT use that person for your kitchen design.

    Just get a rectangular sink in the corner location. That's what I have, and I love it. The advantages of a corner sink are:
    - leaves uninterrupted expanse of countertop
    - allows tons of room under the sink for disposal, plumbing, storage, etc.
    - allows room behind the sink for single handle faucet
    - uses what otherwise would be a dead space.

    One disadvantage to a corner sink is that only 1 person can stand in front of the sink at a time, or two people can squeeze in. But honestly, it rarely comes up for me that two people need actually to stand there for any length time, and if someone needs to use the faucet while I am working at the sink, OK, I stand aside for 30 seconds, no biggie.

    Also, it is important to have a cabinet between the dishwasher and the sink, or you will be "trapped" by the dishwasher door. I have a trash pull-out cabinet to the right of the sink, then the dishwasher, and it worked out perfectly.

    You will likely need to have a sink that is no larger than 30" wide (outside dimension) due to the corner location. That is still PLENTY large enough. But you should have a single bowl style; a double bowl of that size means neither bowl will be big enough to soak roasting pans, cookie sheets, etc. There are several threads on this forum discussing single vs. double bowl sinks, and you will find many single-bowl enthusiasts (I will never go back to a double bowl sink again).

    Depending on your cabinetry, and which sink you choose, you may need to "scoop" or "notch" some of the base cabinet to fit the corner sink. I have a stainless steel sink which is light and easy to install--it would be tough to install heavy fireclay or enameled cast iron in a corner but it has been done successfully by several on this forum. My sink is 27" wide (interior).

    I love my single bowl rectangular corner sink due to the advantages I listed above. In any future kitchen I might have, I will have a single bowl corner sink again.

  • 15 years ago

    There are a couple of things to keep in mind if you're going to go this route. First of all make sure your installation will look like this sink by Elkay. You want it so that the water will not run off the counter when you move the faucet between bowls. In this case, the sink is undermounted and thus lower than the counter so water will be captured. Secondly make sure you give yourself enough room to stand at the sink with the dishwasher open. Often times I will put a small cabinet in between the corner sink cabinet and the dishwasher to facilitate this. Good luck to you! PS Couldn't figure out how to add the photo. You can email me and I will be happy to send it to you. My email is kitchensforliving@gmail.com

    Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchens for Living

  • 15 years ago

    Creative_glo's message looks like spam to me, since her direct email address is the same as the site she is linking to. Fortunately, the link doesn't work. I repeat what I already said, Butterfly sinks are a bad idea, corner sinks are a good idea. Butterfly sinks are a cockamamie design that functions poorly.

  • 15 years ago

    I have to agree with AKChicago...do not get a butterfly sink! Additionally, standing in a 90-degree corner instead of at a diagonal is much less comfortable!

    We have a corner prep sink in a 36" corner sink base that would probably fit up to a 24" wide sink (ours is 17-3/4" square exterior, 15-3/4" square interior). By going to a 42" corner sink base, you can get an even larger sink (maybe 30"?). Some cabinet manufacturers even make a 48" corner sink base. One thing to remember, a corner sink will take up more "wall/floor" space than a straight sink base. E.g., a 42" corner sink base will take up 42" on each wall of the "L".

    Perhaps if you post your floorplan here we could help you maximize your layout...

    Here is a link that might be useful: Read Me If You're New To GW Kitchens!

  • 15 years ago

    One of the ideas I have played with in small kitchens where people want a large sink or two sinks is placing the large sink (say 33" w) so about 18" is parallel to the right counter edge and 15" extends along that counter run as it turns the corner, Then mounting a smaller sink so it is parallel to the other counter run (and since they are rectangles, the other sink) Essentially you would be creating an L with the two sinks and you could stand facing either one. This would be for a kitchen were the 45-degree base would take up too much room.

    I also played with the idea of using a single large sink that extended into the corner, with enough facing the front counter edge that you could stand comfortably in front of it. Again for a small kitchen under limited circumstances.

    I wanted to post a picture but my camera is going through its every-other-day balkiness.

  • 15 years ago

    Here is the idea I was playing with: this shows a large 33" sink tucked partly into the depth of the corner with a smaller sink butted against it from the other corner. Maybe the countertop material could be eased or radiused so as to not create a sharp corner. I would imagine this would be a stress point in the countertop material and would have to be appropriately reinforced. The appropriate sizes of sinks would have to be chosen that meshed well together in this way, and it would pretty much be a one person station.
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  • 15 years ago

    I got to look at a picture of a butterfly sink and it is just wierd and clumsy looking. Thanks for the input. We are considering a smaller 24" sink to fit a 36" corner cabinet and if that doesn't work may have to place the sink where it is but use a smaller single bowl. The issue is the floor space and it cutting down on cabinets to the right of the corner cabinet. I have visions of my baking equipment fitting there in nice deep drawers, maybe even my KitchAid to go there!

  • 15 years ago

    I ripped out our corner sink in the renovation and am thrilled not to put one back in the new kitchen.
    I hated having a corner sink! The cab below was almost impossible to utilize well, except for the front few inches. Not only was it hard to reach inside (past the plumbing or even not), but to try to see inside was impossible. The space behind the sink on the counter was a pain to reach and was wasted for anything that needed to be used more than rarely. There was a corner upper cab that felt like it was in my face as well.
    This setup was here from the po's and I thought it would be cool. Years ago, corner sinks were the new thing and I had always wanted one. The reality turned out to be one of the the things I liked least about my kitchen. I'd never do a corner sink again. In fact, a major part of our new layout was to not have any corner cabs because of my frustration with the corner sink setup. The corner cab in my previous house was no picnic, but this was worse.

  • 15 years ago

    Dianalo---
    Thanks for that--- you have confirmed my suspicions about this set-up. Beside being more costly I'm seeing this down the road as a waste of space and a pain.

  • 15 years ago

    Ckells, just wondering whether you've explored this more than Dianalo's one opinion. I know, to each his own. I love my corner sink and think it is the greatest use of space, plus the other reasons I listed in my post above. Ckells, can you go to a kitchen showroom where there may be kitchen vignettes on display, one with a corner sink? Or do a cardboard layout in your own kitchen to visualize it better--that may really help you more than what Dianalo says or what I say.

    Also, so much of layout depends on your own space and what you have available. My kitchen layout works great with a corner sink, but Dianalo's didn't; we don't know your layout at all. There are many people on this forum who are great at layout - if you post yours on here, you will get some good advice.

    I will link an older thread where more people give opinions, and also there are many pics.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Thread about Corner Sinks

  • 15 years ago

    ak - ckells seemed to view it the way I did prior to reading my remarks, so my post was just validation. I used it for 4 long years and did not post based on a trial with cardboard.
    I think the best way is to view one in someone's house. Try to get to the back of the cabinet, past the pipes and past the items up at the front. Try to see what you are looking at in the back once your reaching body blocks the small opening in the front.
    After someone tries that, they should take a sponge and try to reach the back corner of the countertop. I am 5'5" and could not do it without getting on my stomach on the edge of the sink (and usually getting wet if I forgot to check first)with my feet in the air. Maybe you are much taller than I am....
    The layout worked just fine for the sink to be there. That was not the problem. It was the corner cab setup that bothered me and the wasted space behind and below the sink. In my last house the corner base cab had just a shelf in it and I thought it was a pain to get to things in the back, but it was much better than having a sink in a corner cab once I tried that. A blind corner pullout can fix a corner base cab, but not a corner sink cab.
    I would not have known if I had not lived with it. I used to think it was a great idea. After a few days, I realized how much it did not work ergonomically. I did not even mind so much to be crowded if someone needed to get to the sink while I was there. I'd step aside and it would not be a huge deal. It was the other pitfalls that annoyed me.

  • 15 years ago

    Great pictures of corner sink projects. Maybe KD gave me wrong information about size of base corner cabinet, 42" instead of 36". That would make a huge difference. Also the offset idea would address the long reach into the corner.
    I have scanned our layout, can I attach it somehow?

  • 15 years ago

    Ckells - regarding how to attach a layout, I am linking a thread called the "Read Me" thread. The second post on that thread describes how to add a link, and the third post on that thread describes how to insert a picture or pdf file. Also, that thread is a fantastic guide for anyone planning a kitchen. Lots of information there to help you.

    If you decide to post your layout, don't do it on this thread. Start a new thread, and entitle it something like "Please help me with my layout" or "Questions on my layout" or something like that.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchens Forum Read Me Thread