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SEER help please

19 years ago

In short, when bidding our house, we needed to cut some costs. One area GC said was in the HVAC. He said he had the TOL Trane spec'd but backed off due to unreasonable costs. Later I find out he went from TOL (XLi 19) to middle of the road XR 13. upto 19 seer vs upto 14 seer. I did find some stats where Trane's 13 seer units outperformed others rated at 16 seer. I know this is a VERY subjective and much debated topic.

Did I get hosed? Is there that much performance difference? Looking at the models, the model I got was about 3 levels below the XLi 19.

The downstairs unit has already stopped working (about 3 weeks old) coincidental or sign of yet to come?

Thanks in advance for advice!

Comments (3)

  • 19 years ago

    Toward Payback on investments, IMO there are many things to consider of much more importance than the SEER Ratings!

    I personally would not go higher than 14-seer in my climate zone a 600-hour cooling season.

    Even if I lived in Floria's highest 2800-hour cooling season I might not go over a 15 or 16-seer.

    I would spend the difference in initial cost on ways to reduce the heat-gain heat-loss of yor home.

    That saves money in both heating & cooling if you live in a climate were heating is a big cost factor!

    For Intermediate temperature heating days a Heat Pump is very effective & efficient.
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  • 19 years ago

    The XL19i has a 2 stage compressor. These can be used in areas of the country that have very high humidity or very high electricity costs. In my opinion, these conditions may warrant a 2 stage compressor. For all other conditions, a single stage compressor works fine.

    The Energy Effficiency Ratio (EER) provides a better insight into true operating costs than does SEER. EER is determined at 95 F outside air temps (more realistic) while SEER is taken at 82 F outside air temps. At 95 F outside air temps, SEER drops like a rock. In my opinion, high SEER ratings are pure BS. Many high SEER units do not meet the 12 EER of a 14 SEER system. A 14 SEER system provides the best combo of purchase price and true operating cost. The difference is price between a 19 SEER and a 13 SEER is almost never recovered in electricity savings. 2 stage compressors are, for the most part, more for comfort than cost savings.

    "Did I get hosed?"
    - Depends on what you paid. Also depends on sytem installation.

    Best of luck to you.

  • 19 years ago

    The full understanding of energy efficiency ratings on hvac equipment, that has to perform
    in a multiple of, unpredictable climates across this country is extremely difficult . The ratings
    on this equipment in most cases is gathered by testing in an atmosphere controlled room
    in a testing facility under conditions that could possibly be different than the conditions at
    any one of our homes, and they are usually perfect conditions. For example I have yet to see
    a condenser unit, in a lab with a lab technician mowing grass and shooting grass clippings and dirt at it. I was involved just recently with bringing a seer 13 unit to a seer 14 , and that was
    done just by merely extending the ventri in length by 1 inch, so that we could position the leading pitch if the fan blade farther into the ventri. This reduced turbulence witch in turn
    reduced the load on the fan motor witch in turn made the fan motor operate at fewer watts. In
    my opinion, I would stick with the equipment that has the least amount of electronic and
    mechanical gismos that were designed to inflate equipment ratings. The nickels and dimes
    that you save on your electric bill by purchasing an ultra high efficiency system may not be
    enough to pay for pre mature service calls that you may need to service the bells and whistles of these units and the initial costs difference between main stream equipment and ultra high efficient units. If I was to install a system today I would have no problem with a 13 or 14 seer Toolman210