Can't really see the layout - too small. I clicked on it, and still couldn't see a larger version. Sorry. :(

I can't see it that well either, but I do think it looks better than your other one did.

I'm sorry that didn't post. It was late and my flash was on.

I think these look easier to see. I'm interested in thoughts on whether either of thinks looks to fit the space, and if both seem to fit, which is better: peninsula vs island.

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My thanks once again to all who come and play!

Based on feedback from yesterday, I moved the ovens to the far wall so I could free up space for a 36" cooktop and I'm very happy about that. I lose some inches of pantry space but I can live with that.

Anita

I don't think the space inside the peninsula is enough. I think people will feel like they're constantly banging into eachother. I see that the bar side is not at the end of the wall. Looks a little strange to me, but I see why you did it, so you can have more clearance for chairs. DW placement is not good. If you're standing at the sink and the DW is down, there's little room to move. I think you'll feel boxed in.

I like the island version better. Can't really read the clearances though. You might want to consider a prep sink in the island. It's a long walk from the frig to the main sink and then back to the cook top if there's stuff you need to wash for cooking.

The penninsula layout you have there is almost exactly what we had for our old kitchen and ripped out! The only difference was our DW was located closer to the sink. The 4' space in the U was only wide enough for one person; DH and I were constantly bumping into eachother. It was impossible to do dishes and cook at the same time. Your aisle looks like it's 6" wider, but I don't think that'll fix the problem. Also, the fridge against the corner there didn't open all the way.

So having lived with that penninsula layout for almost 3 years, I say DON'T DO IT!

Another vote for the island. Much better traffic flow.

alku05, thanks for telling me about your experience with this layout. Good to know it has been tried and rejected! I'm not a big fan of the peninsula anyway. (and fyi, I saw your kitchen pics sometime over the past few days and I love it; probably my all time favorite kitchen! That isn't in the space this old peninsula kitchen was in, is it?

So, do we think this island fits as compared to my original one from the KD which was too tight ?
(see below).

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You mentioned previously that you had some flexibility with what table to use. Have you considered a round table instead of a rectangular one for that space? You can seat six people at a 48" round table, and it would leave you much more space for your island.

Thanks for the complement on our new kitchen! We actually did an addition and reconfigured some interior walls to get the new space.

I definitely think your new island layout has more promise. Can you repost that layout larger by reloading the picture to photobucket and keeping it's original size? I can't quite make out the measurements in many places.

Holligator's suggestion about a different table is a good one. The table is pretty squooshed no matter what you do with the kitchen. Is that your only eating area? Are you open to the idea of doing banquette seating in that nook?

I will try a round table - great idea, and I love the way they look.

I will reload the revised island and see if I can make the dimensions more clear, but until I get to it they are:

between island at widest point and the edge of table: 54"
between cooktop and island: 50"
between sink and side of island 36"
between opposite side of island and oven (Main walkway): 40"

The island itself I have drawn at 50". I could probably knock it down to 45" and still seat two, then I could use the extra 5" on either side to widen the walkways. Anything less than 45" would probably look too tiny.

RE: the banquette idea, I can't do it because I already have the bank of windows that go in that squared off area on site, and they go down nearly to the floor (14-16" off the floor).

Anita

I am all for the island. I think the flow seems so much better.

Another vote for island and against peninsula. I'm taking out a peninsula I lived with for 15 years. At first I was annoyed with myself for being annoyed that I had to walk all the way around the peninsula to get to anything in the kitchen, then I just got annoyed at the layout, then it deteriorated into loathing the layout altogether. You might lose a little bit of counter space (bridge from the mainland to the island) but IMO it's worth it.

The island is it! Gives you much more open space and usability.