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Finally!! Kitchen Layout - comments pls!

17 years ago

Hi all - after much reading on this forum, countless magazine purchases, and endless discussion, I think I am close to finalising out layout. I have so valued the insights of this very knowledgeable group and would appreciate any comments/suggestions.

Some background:

Our house is approx. 100 yrs old and like many houses of that vintage, it has a very small kitchen (approx 9x10). Our plan is to knock out an exterior wall and extend the size of the kitchen. This extra space will not only be welcome for the many gatherings of family and friends we have here but also more importantly will enable us to get some basics that I've never had (like my first dishwasher!). The design has been done so that there are two distinct "work" areas, for DH and I. Placement of the sink was a big debate, as I did not want it in the island; instead we have opted for two facing sinks.

Happy to answer any other questions and thrilled to get your feedback!

{{!gwi}}

Comments (11)

  • 17 years ago

    The sink placement is creative, and I like the symmetry. You will love all the extra space you're getting with this addition. The room will be flooded with light from all those windows, too, which I envy terribly! A couple of things do pop out at me as potential concerns.

    First, the distance between the island and the wall jutting out next to the basement stairs looks way too small. I am guessing since there are no dimensions listed, but it looks like only about 24" or so. If that's the case, you're sure to feel cramped by that passage.

    The DW and sink look a little too close together for the corner configuration. I have my DW angled like that but, between the sink and the corner lazy susan, I have a cabinet of about 12". If I didn't have that cabinet there, I couldn't stand at the sink with the DW open to load it.

    Since the main DW is near the bottom sink, it seems like the top one would function as the prep sink. If that's the case, I'd want the fridge on that top wall to facilitate the flow from fridge to sink to counter to stove. That would also put the fridge on the same side of the island as the microwave, which makes more sense to me.

    Finally, I'd rather have the floor-to-ceiling pantry cabinets on the opposite side of the appliances. What I mean is that I like having counter immediately next to my fridge and oven for landing space. Your island could serve that purpose, but the counter right next to it would be more convenient.

    You're at a fun stage. You have a good, strong start to your layout, and I'm sure other GWers will have some other good suggestions for you.

  • 17 years ago

    Wow what a generous kitchen. Thanks for the neat labels on the drawing, they are really clear. I love the two wider single sinks opposite/across the room from each other. If you can manage to have a center island without a prep sink in it I think that's a luxury. Also a luxury to have those four expansive windows and no upper cabinets (at least I don't see any uppers indicated).

    The little squares for the freezer and single drawer dishwasher seem small, are they maybe not exactly to scale?

    Congratulations on an exciting kitchen plan! Can't wait to see it realized.

  • 17 years ago

    I went through all the things that concerned me, then read holligator's post, which hit them all!...Aisles/clearance around the island, fridge better by prep area and microwave, pantries preferable on ends, and the sink/open dishwasher situation not leaving room for you to stand and move.

    Oops, a couple more things:
    1) I would sure want more elbow room and counter space to the side of the sinks. Actually, the pantries are the problem. If you eliminated those, the sink could center and probably solve the space and dishwasher relationship problems. Is there any other space you have nearby for pantry?
    2) I would want the dishwasher as close as possible to the dish storage.

    As a first try at adjusting things, I'd put the fridge in place of the pantry on the top wall. I'd put the dishwasher where the pantry is on the bottom wall, put a dish hutch where the fridge is shown, and have pantry storage where you show the dish hutch.

    Do make sure each element is exactly to scale, or you will run into problems later.

    Best wishes.

  • 17 years ago

    The most used space in any kitchen is the space between the sink and the stove. That's where all the prep takes place. Right now, with both of your sinks on the perimeter, that leaves you with your back to anyone else in the kitchen, especially the island. A smaller prep sink on the island instead of the two larger sinks would actually be more functional than what you have. You also have your dishwashers spread apart, which just makes the cleanup zone encompass the whole kitchen rather than just a distinct space away from the prep zone. If you have something that won't fit in that dishdrawer, you have to schlep it all across the kitchen dripping water the whole way to be able to put it in the DW. And, a DW set 90° to a sink is a real PIA to actually use. It always bangs your shins.

    Your dish storage is a LONG way away from your cleanup zone. It's a hike from either of the DW's.

    I'd put the freezer drawer and MW on the other side of the island adjacent to the fridge. That way if anyone wants a snack or drink while you're cooking, they're mostly out of the prep zone.

    The layout of your cooktop and windows suggest that you aren't allowing enough room for a proper ventilation hood. With that large a cooking zone, you'll need a large and powerful CFM ventilation system at least 3" larger than your cooking zone.

    Your island looks a bit large for the space, and the clearances look tight. It would help if you could indicate some dimensions with your drawing. I think this is a case that a rectangular island might not be the best shape for the space. Maybe kidney shaped, with the larger part of the "bean" in the prep zone, and the smaller part being the seating area. Rounded seating areas are always more comfortable for the folks sitting at them than are square.

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for the great feedback and good suggestions. I'll rework based on this and repost. I'll also try to include dimensions. While most is to scale (1" is 1') some of the appliances may be off.

  • 17 years ago

    Is it possible to find an all-fridge that is counter depth? It would improve your working space over there.

    Anita

  • 17 years ago

    I am sorry, I don't really understand the fridge/freezer. Do you just have one freezer drawer?? That doesn't seem like enough to me. I might be missing something, though. I think more than 24" of refrigeration would be good too, but maybe you don't need it if that whole column is refrigeration???

  • 17 years ago

    Where do you eat your meals? It looks like quite a hike from the dining room to the DW. Not sure I would want to walk that distance if I eat every meal in the DR. Just my 2 cents worth.

  • 17 years ago

    Kelleg - the fridge is an all fridge model. So the freezer drawers supplement it. We have a full fridge in the basement (what can I say - I'm Italian - my DH is just grateful we don't have a stove down there too). Could be configured as a two drawer fridge/frezzer combo also.

    Mom of 2: Right now we eat in the dining room. I expect that since it is just the two of us we will eat many of our weekday meals right at the island. We both also travel quite a bit for work and that means it's often just one of us at home in the evening. Remember I have not have a DW before, so I am used to not only schlepping the dishes to the kitchen but then having to wash them by hand :-) (oops that would be DH who does the washing...). A good point to consider though.

    Holligator - our GC has suggested that we carve off a bit of that wall that's bothering you. Still under debate but I take your point about the passage way being narrow. I also like the idea of flipping the pantries and appliances, and looking at moving the fridge to the top of the kitchen, as Rhome410 suggests.

    Rhome410, we cannot elimninate the pantries. I think flipping them might help. Dish storage and DW (as live wire points out as well) are important to rethink. There's that "no dishwasher experience" again!

    Live wire, you're right about the hood allowance. May need to rethink something there. Thanks also for your other suggestions.

    Anita, an all fridge UC is possible, but I think we will be okay with the 24".

    Thanks all and stay tuned for the next iteration! And pls keep your great ideas coming.

    Eliz

  • 17 years ago

    I think it would feel claustrophobic to stand at either of the sinks, despite the windows, because of the full height cabinets immediately adjacent. There's not enough landing space for a big kitchen. If you've never had a dishwasher, just stick with one. I also think your island is significantly oversized for your space. The overall appliance organization does not seem very efficient. I think some of the posts above are helpful in that regard.

  • 17 years ago

    I know you wouldn't want to eliminate pantries...I suggested moving them to the area you show a hutch to solve the crowding problem histokitch refers to, among other issues.