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15 years ago

Hi All

I know I posted about my hardware issues months ago, but I still have not resolved them. I'm wondering what people think of this idea. I want to use a mix of four types of hardware and I'm having a really hard time.

Here's the kitchen for those who haven't seen it a million times:

My photoshop:

Cabinet maker's drawing:

Here are the hardware choices:

{{!gwi}}

My current thought is to use the knobs and pulls with mother of pearl on the 3 inside cabinets of the built-in china cabinet and then to use the wood cup pulls and grape knobs on the outside edge cabinets that are set back farther. That way everything will be tied in together. Is that going to look strange?

Then, the ends of the island will use the mother of pearl cup pulls on the drawers and the mother of pearl knobs on the cabinets. The rest of the island and remainder of the kitchen will be in a mix of the wood ones.

Does that make sense? Is anyone still following :S

Any other thoughts or suggestions? I've been obsessing for months. Sorry if I'm driving everyone crazy! :)

Comments (30)

  • 15 years ago

    What will be on the refrigerator and freezer? They operate better with a larger pull.

    I am not sold on the wood ones at all. I think they are going to look grubby fast even if you are a neat person: even wiping them a lot will do negative things to the finish.

  • 15 years ago

    palimpsest I haven't figured out the fridge yet. Any suggestions?

    I know I got the same comment on the wood ones last time. I tried and tried to come up with alternatives and have been looking and looking for something else for months that I like. I even found knobs I thought I liked in the UK and had them sent to my fiance's cousins in Scotland and then had them sent here and hated them when they got here. I just cannot figure out what to do.

    That said, the wood cup hooks people will be grabbing underneath, right, so they shouldn't get too dirty. Keep in mind too this is a kitchen where no countertop and no sink can be exposed to anything acid (they are all made of marble, blue bahia and concrete) and where we have mirrors on the refrigerator. So, practicality is clearly not the driving force here...

  • 15 years ago

    Hm... If you have the wood finished with a good hard varnish or paint, you should be able to sponge clean it. You don't cook anyway, right? So messy hands aren't as big a part of your day as if you were up to your elbows.

    I'm not following your plan completely, but, generally, any time you have a "rule" for what goes where, it works, even if you're the only one who gets the rule. MOP for china cabinet and island ends sounds like a rule, so it should be okay, but I think it's a kind of muddy rule. It seems to me that you'll have a crisper and more exciting look if you reserve the MOP for the china cabinet. You don't have to "tie them together". In fact, I thought the whole point was to have some contrast between the china cabinet and the rest of the cabinetry. Having the round knob and cup pull shapes are enough of a tie together without pulling in the MOP.

    Does the MOP come in other styles? If you want more of a tie in, you might try all metal of the same knob on the island. ... But I'd rather see all of the island match each other, or even be a fifth choice, than break it up with the china cabinet hardware.

    Is the hardware returnable? Another way to go would be to buy enough to see how it looks in different configurations and return the extras. Or if it's just a few extras, keep them in case some get damaged over the years.

  • 15 years ago

    You don't cook and a mirrored refrigerator? This isn't a working kitchen?

  • 15 years ago

    Did you see these?

    Here is a link that might be useful: White metal cup pulls

  • 15 years ago

    From Emtek

    Here is a link that might be useful: Silver pulls

  • 15 years ago

    from the same co. as your MOP

    Here is a link that might be useful: Schaub

  • 15 years ago

    From Nanz

    Here is a link that might be useful: Nanz cup pull

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks for all the suggestions Pal. I've seen some but not all of those. I just now ordered a sample of the white one on your first link. The problem I've had with other white pulls I ordered is that they don't go w/ our cabinets because the cabinets are off-white and they never seem to look right. Hopefully these will be different.

    I thought about the schaub ones and the emtek ones, but the thing I don't love about those that I do love about the wood is the wood has the same scalloped bottoms that the other schaub ones do and none of the metal cup pulls seemed to, except for those nanz ones that you just linked to, which also might work.

    Part of what has attracted me to the wood and what continues to attract me to the wood is the price. They are .49/each as opposed to some of the others, like the schaub which are $19 each. I'm already so over budget on this kitchen, I'd like to be budget friendly on these. But, not at the expense of having knobs that get grubby right away :( So, now I'm even more torn about what to do now that I see that the nanz do have the fluted bottoms.

    Instead of doing more of the pearl ones on the island, what would you think about these for the entire island? (In clear, of course, not green)

    I had originally thought about doing them, but rejected it because I wasn't sure they'd fit in well with everything else. But, I guess if I look at the island as a standalone piece of furniture, then it doesn't matter if they perfectly match. They tie in sort of, right, because they have a similar silver center and outer shape as the schaub knobs. We can't order any more of the mother of pearl ones due to cost, they are just too expensive :(

    natal, the kitchen works but it isn't a working kitchen really. I don't and can't cook, no skills in the kitchen other than rewarming food.

  • 15 years ago

    Don't even look at the Nanz then, its $94, or 200x the price of the wooden pull. I looked at the mother of pearl price and just assumed you had a generous hardware budget. (Good think I didn't post the $3000 appliance pull :) )

    But if you are going to make the hardware different, it should be different, and I think the wood is a too-similar, ultra inexpensive version of the expensive mother of pearl. The mother of pearl won't stand out at all if it is the same as a $0.49 wood pull the same shape and color.

    Why not just do a simple silver colored knob on a lot of the doors to make the special areas stand out. This one is $6.50 ish and references the shape of the mother of pearl. I am not even sure that similarity is necessary/ You could do a simple Berenson knob for under $2.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Emtek knob

  • 15 years ago

    Have you seen the mercury knobs from Anthropologie? They are really nice, a bit fragile and kind of impractical...just your style ;)

    I think the nature of appliance pulls is that they are very expensive.

    If you are not concerned about practicality, then your choices seem just fine. I do think the mother of pearl pulls are nicer looking than the wood ones. I think I am just anti-grape.

  • 15 years ago

    What about mixed blue delft knobs somewhere? I found these on ebay but Belwith (Hickory) also makes a blue delft knob

    Here is a link that might be useful: Blue Delft

  • 15 years ago

    OK, off my list- I'd rather do all mother of pearl if I was going to spend that much I think. I was a bit afraid the nanz would be in the "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" category since there was no list price. Of course, I don't even know what my hardware budget is and it seems like our "budget" on this entire house is just a starting point for us to double.

    I like the silver knobs. I'll see what DF thinks.

  • 15 years ago

    I'm really being difficult here- I've ordered two versions of delft, one from an etsy seller and one from some other website I no longer remember. Plus I also considered these, which I thought looked vageuly wedgewood blue-esq. http://www.COTTAGETOPIARY.COM/collections/index.cfm?pid=445&aa=97&bb=0amp;cc=0amp;action=displaydetails

    We've decided it is too hard to match the blues w/ the granite and cabinet plus we already have so much going on in the kitchen with the mural behind the stove, etc. that I don't want to introduce another painted element.

    sabjimata I've seen (and love!) the mercury knobs and would love to use them! Then, though, I have handle issues. What do use as a handle with them? I don't know if I can get away w/ all knobs because the fridge needs a handle + the two drawers on the end of the island are actually a fridge/freezer drawer, so those need something kind of substantial to be opened with.

    I'm about ready to cry here, I know it's ridiculous to be this stressed over hardware, but everything else is so perfect and I just can't find what I want :(

    Actually, that's not even really true- I kind of know what I want- I want this:

    but I already emailed Habersham and they won't sell their hardware separately and can't point me to any sources :(

  • 15 years ago

    When I made the comments about the island, I was thinking that classic glass would look nice, but you were going for such a specific look, I didn't mention it. Absolutely, if you're going to paint the wood white they'll disappear. The ones you've showed, however, seem a little too delicate, and too common for the rest of your design.

    Why not go to a couple of salvage yards or antique stores that have hardware and see if you can find some pulls that would be good for your coolers?

  • 15 years ago

    I think I'll try that next. In our area, there's a limited number (read- none that I know of) of good architecutral salvage places, but I'll see if DF wants to take a trip to a bigger city where said things may exist!

  • 15 years ago

    Like a pendant pull you mean?

    Here is a link that might be useful: Pendant pull

  • 15 years ago

    Sorry palimpsest- I wasn't clear. Yes, I'd love it if I could find pendant pulls and bail pulls (is that what the other ones are called? or ring pulls) and drop pulls in a white/off white cast metal- not a porcelain. That's the thing I'm not finding. Like you know on old french armoires how they have the metal handle that matches the armoire. That's what I want. I want the cabinets to look like old french furniture.

    I also searched for months for nickel pendant pulls with dropped glass- like these, but in nickel- because I desperately wanted them for the sink. They don't exist :(
    {{!gwi}}

  • 15 years ago

    I have no clue what I'm doing or what I"m looking for but here's a glass one:

    Here is a link that might be useful: It's sparkly!

  • 15 years ago

    You could probably get the brass ones powdercoated, or professionally sprayed. Or you could get brass ones replated in nickel. Not all that expensive compared to your MOP.

    These are English, though, William and Mary Period 1690s-->. (The Habersham type with the cotter pin). They became popular again in ebonized wood in the 1870-80s Eastlake period.

  • 15 years ago

    thanks remodelfla! Those aren't quite what I'm looking for, but I appreciate you looking on my behalf! :)

    palimpsest, who might I go to in order to get something powder coated or professionally sprayed or replated? That's what I'd like to do. I don't want or need those particular ones from habersham- I just want ones that are an off-white and go w/ the cabinets. I'm not strictly adhering to "french" either though- I just get what I like which mostly happens to be french, except with some victorian woodwork and trim details thrown in.

  • 15 years ago

    actually beagles, I remember sabjamata mentioning that someone from somewhere (cant' remember the details) had Horton Brasses do that for them with items that were not their own. Apparently they are a tiny company with high ethics, I have never purchased through them and only became more informed due to contest reading.

    Anyway... I can't give up this search so I poured a glass of wine and am sitting outside in my screen porch while the rest of the house is sleeping. So much fun to be the grownup and be able to do that! Am I getting closer toward what you're looking for? I can't believe the site won't let tme imbed again... that's like the 3rd time this weekend. It's a french pineapple drop pull in nickel. If it only had glass on it. I'll link below. Another crazy idea... I wonder if you can take a piece to a metal type shop and let them take the little finial or teardrop shaped thing off that's usually at the end and create a cap/holder for you to set a stone/glass in,

    Good Lord I better read that... that sounded crazy!

    OK... that's what I meant but it still doesn't mean it's not a crazy idea.

  • 15 years ago

    remodelfa, I am jealous of your screen porch! That's one thing lacking in current and new house! I'm also appreciative of your search efforts :) The french pineapple drop pull in nickel sounds interesting- but you didn't link to it? I hope you still have the link and can link to it now!

    I tried to get some quotes from glass blowers to make me something similar to the one I linked to above but in a nickel finish and I got quotes of upwards of $200 per pull. Going to a metal shop would probably be a lot cheaper, if they could do it!

    I know sabjimata did say that horton brass changed finishes for her, I remember reading that when I was looking at stuff at Horton brass because I briefly considered Horton brass D-5S style to use as my sink base knobs. Unfortunately, the finishes don't match and I'd want the wood part unpainted so it could be painted in the color of my cabinets . I'm not even sure if any of their finishes would work either since I want either a whiter finish or a polished nickel.

    I also like these and the price is good, but they'd have to be changed from not brass to a white or a nickel.

  • 15 years ago

    What a ninny I am!

    Here is a link that might be useful: pull

  • 15 years ago

    beagles

    Can not comment on your problem but wanted to give you an update on our project. Dutchwood came on 5/19 and installed all but 4 cabinets, they are busy and did not have everything done, but wanted to keep me happy and the project moving. On this Wednesday the granite goes in and Dutchwood comes back on Friday to finish the installation. The plumber stops by on Saturday I hope and we will finally have our kitchen back! Project started 2nd week in January. All we have left is to do the back splash.

    The cabinets are as we expected based on what we saw in the showroom, craftsmanship is fantastic. The installer Kevin is a young guy but really knows what he is doing. The cheaper line of cabinets, which we used in our laundry room is very well constructed with equal fit and finishes as the high end cabinets in the kitchen. The vanities in both bathrooms are also beautiful.

    Thanks again for recommending Dutchwood.

    Tom

  • 15 years ago

    Look under plating or replating in the yellow pages. There is actually a place a block away from where I live that does this.

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks remodelfa. Those are closer to what I am looking for. Might be a tidbit too tropical looking, but might also add a little interesting element at the sinks, which is what I'm looking for. I'm keeping them on the list :)

    Tom I am so glad things are working out. Please post pictures when you are done, I'd love to see it :) Kevin is, I believe, one of the brothers who all work together in the cabinet shop their dad started (at least I think so, if I remember right from our tour.)

    Thanks palimpsest, I googled this morning and I found one already.

  • 15 years ago

    http://www.leevalley.com/us/hardware/page.aspx?p=43542&cat=3,43520,43521&ap=1

    Check out Lee Valley's drop pulls... since you can get them sprayed, dipped or whatever to match your cabinets

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks cjc13. I like their Lous XVI suite a lot!

  • 15 years ago

    Just a quick note before I print out coloring pictures for my kids...HB does have polished nickel for all their brass hardware.