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19 years ago

So, I started working on tissue box cover. It was plastic. I wasn't sure about the design because it was nothing close to what I had done before. Looked like stars and suns when I was done. Glass globs in the center with shards coming out that went into the next sun. The yellow was gorgeous. Did some blue and even green suns and stars. I kept working on it even though I wasn't sure 'cause I figured I needed to see the end result before I decide I don't like. I am trying to mix it up and experiment as Slow says. Up until this piece, I was HAVING LOTS OF FUN!!!

Why don't I post a pic, you ask? 'CAUSE IT FELL APART WHILE I WAS GROUTING!!!!!!!!!!!! What happened? I primed the plastic with spray paint primer for plastic!! But that's all I did. The plastic doesn't move, isn't flexible to any degree that I can tell. The GEII I used had been used on previous projects so I think it was ok. The grout also has been used on previous projects with no problem and all my stuff is stored according to specificiations. (when I actually clean up, it's stored to specifications.) Everything seemed to stick really well until I grouted and began to wipe it off and little by little they just started falling off. The glass globs stuck pretty good, but the glass pieces did not.

What happened?? (I had added latex paint to the grout, exterior grade. Does that matter?)

Comments (17)

  • 19 years ago

    My first thought was it didn't have enough tooth to hold the adhesive. Did you sand it before painting and then rough up the paint?

    That's my guess.

  • 19 years ago

    Yep, thats what I'm thinking too, Wench.
    Bites doesn't it!!

  • 19 years ago

    Don't understand either, unless the GE II was bad. When I mosaiced the Duck Family, it was on real shiny, slippery ceramic, but I used Ultra Flex 2, and it stuck. I've just about quit using GE II cuz I'm so messy and hate the cleanup so bad. For the bowl/pitcher I'm using the Mapei readymixed adhesive/grout. It's real slippery pottery, but it's sticking just fine.

  • 19 years ago

    OOoooooooohhhhhhhhh NO! My condolences at your loss!

  • 19 years ago

    I think you are the third person to have a problem with those plastic tissue boxes. For some reason, probably the plastic, they fall apart.

    Hazie

  • 19 years ago

    Oh, I'm sorry that's such a bummer!! I seldom use plastic, so I don't know, but I'd go along with wench's thinking. I have a wood one I found at a TS standing in the long line of TBM things!!

    Maria

  • 19 years ago

    No, no sanding. I guess I just didn' prepare he substrate correctly. And, yes, it bites!!

    Oh well, got in a hurry and thought I knew what I was doing. Will I EVER learn!?

  • 19 years ago

    $#% $#@%, *%$#@# %$#@#$, $%* *& # %$#@#, @# $%#@!!!!

    That's my allotted cursing for the day. I feel better now.

  • 19 years ago

    Sun, I've had that problem when I thought I had used enough adhesive, but it wasn't enough, it is a fine balance to add enough to hold yet not too much to be messing up the grout lines...

  • 19 years ago

    When the pieces came off, was the paint stuck to the tesserae or did it remain on the box?

  • 19 years ago

    Most of it was on the box. But some came off with it. What I found to be very odd is that the glass globs seemed to hold on pretty well. Had to pry those off. But the nipped and cut glass just fell off. I thought that was weird. Where I pried the paint came off. Why do you ask?

  • 19 years ago

    I have done a plastic th before had no problem.I think it might have been the pant not shure.

  • 19 years ago

    Hey, that brings up a thought. I sealed a wooden pedestal w/an oil-based sealer - Armorall, I think, and tried to mosaic it, and they started falling off next morn when I turned it over to start another side. Thank goodness I hadn't gone further. The directions of the Ultra Flex 2 said that it wouldn't work on oil-based stuff, but I paid no attention. Could be the paint on your tissue cover was not conducive w/the adhesive.

  • 19 years ago

    Jane-I was trying not to be so messy with the silicone 'cause it is really a pain to get off of stuff. So, I guess that could be it, but looking at the pieces that came off there seems to be adequate silicone on the backside. (That I now get to try to get off so I can reuse-can't let that glass go to waste!)

    Can't thing of anything plastic I have done before, so I think I just needed to do more prep. Slow, it is certainly possible that the primer was not working with the silicone. I am not sure I will pick up that tb to do again. Althought it really is irking me that I didn't get something done that I was just starting to like!! aarrrrrggghhh!! And yes, I'm still fuming!

  • 19 years ago

    I asked about the paint to see where the failure occured, either the paint didn't adhere to the plastic or the tesserae didn't adhere to the paint. I do think it was a tooth issue, it probably should have been roughed with course sand paper 1st, then use only a primer not a top coat paint, primers have tooth. Sometimes I will even mix primer with Weldbond to get a really good tooth on my surface.

  • 19 years ago

    I only used primer but no sanding. That seems to have been the failure. I am getting over it and thinking about what to do to try again. :heavy sigh:

  • 19 years ago

    My condolences!

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