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17 years ago

hello wonderful people of kitchen forum.. i need your help

i am wanting to redesign my planned island in order to get more storage. I prefer storage over seating since it is an open concept and i think the dining nook so close and great room that you can visit and work and not have to be up to the counter.

i would consider 3 short stools as i plan to keep the granite top one level, not raised as shown in the plan..

all your feedback on shape suggestions etc are welcome

Here is a link that might be useful: layout

Comments (10)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    are you saying you want a different shape than what is on your LO?
    you could just have a straight rectangle island. either way you could have shallow cabs facing the outer side for more storage.
    will you have a stove/oven or cook top and wall oven? if no wall oven maybe the space next to the refridge would be a pantry cab w/pullouts.

    is that a walk in pantry on the LO?

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What is the best design for a kitchen with a center island? The kitchen is a large rectangular shape.

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  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    In general, a regular rectangle will give you the most space. Once you start adding extra angles of any sort, you begin to have to deal with fillers...and an inch of filler is a loss of an inch of storage.

    So, it sounds like you most likely want an island with no seating and that is two 24" cabinets deep (back-to-back) and as long as possible. I don't think you want to go any deeper as that's approximately 51" deep (1-1/2" counter overhang + 24" cabinet + 24" cabinet + 1-1/2" counter overhang = 51")

    Remember, though, that you need to maintain aisle space all around the island.

    Something like this:

    It has 9'9" of space on the far side of the island to be divided into whatever size/type cabinets you want.


    Did you give up on the oven stack? Where will your MW be?

    I do think that if the pantry were re-shaped you could add a additional storage there.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If you are changing to a rectangular island I would eliminate the angle in the pantry wall that the stove run dies into; it will no longer relate to anything in the kitchen.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    thanks all
    yes the pantry is walk in and squared off and has wall oven and mic, sorry i put original layout up, here is the updated

    lolymia.. is that just a blog for your website or an actual suggestion?

    buehl- you are fabulous, that looks like a great island..another suggestion the kitchen guy had was to keep the left hand side 1 level and raise the right side for 3 stools. i know the kids would sit there but will that puch into the nook and make all seem tight? it is so hard to visualize this kitchen, I may have to pay the place for a design and get the 3D model

    Here is a link that might be useful: updated kitchen

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    would this be too much space used?

    betting the size of granite might be crazy

    and if i left an edge to sit at would the cupboards under be hard to get to for storing items you hardly use?

    Here is a link that might be useful: rectangular island

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    A couple of things about your location of the sink & DW as well as deep cabinets under a seating overhang...

    Sink & DW location...

    When open, the DW will block the path b/w the refrigerator & pantry and the range & sink...something you don't want to do if you can help it. It causes a bottleneck in the kitchen.

    The other thing is that with the DW & sink on the other end of the island, it frees up the refrigerator end so it can be used for prepping. Since you will have quite a bit of counterspace on the refrigerator end of the island and b/w the sink & refrigerator (57"), it will now be the natural place for prepping b/c of the sink. You'll be able to... Take the veggies & fruit out of the refrigerator and the staples out of the pantry and put them on the island
    Wash/rinse the veggies/fruit, add water, etc.
    Cut up & mix ingredients (still on the island)...all while visiting w/friends & family
    The cooktop, MW, and oven are immediately behind that area so it will be easy to scoop up/pick up what you've cut up and/or mixed and take it to the appropriate cooking appliance.

    Additionally, by moving the DW & sink to the other end, you isolate the cleanup area somewhat from the prep & cooking zones...a definite plus! It will allow you to not only keep the dirty dishes separate from your food, but it will also allow someone to be cleaning up while one or more others are prepping, cooking, and/or baking.

    In your layout the DW also opens into the oven stack...which means that besides the aisle blocking & zone blocking I mentioned above, it will also block access to the MW & oven. And, if someone is working in front of the oven (opening it to check on your food or taking something out), you don't want that person to take a step back and stumble over an open DW...dangerous! Again, with the DW on the other end, it's completely out of the prepping, cooking, and baking/roasting zones.

    Lastly, if you have a FD, SxS, or single-door-w/hinge-on-left refrigerator, the best landing place for the refrigerator is the island. The only time the counter to the left of the refrigerator will work as landing space, is if the refrigerator is a single door w/the hinge on the right...but then it will open away from the work areas where you will be accessing it from the most. That counter to the left might make an ideal "snack zone" to keep snackers out of the kitchen work area...maybe keep the toaster and popcorn there...


    Deep cabinets under a seating overhang...

    Accessing the cabinets under the overhang will be an issue, especially since they're so deep. If you must have seating, consider cabinets that are only 12" deep.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that if you have cabinets under a seating overhang, you cannot have drawers in the top 2/3 of the cabinet. You will have to have either full-height doors or a bottom drawer + all doors above. As to shelving, you will not be able to have pullout drawers in the top 2/3 either...you will have to have stationary (but adjustable) shelving. Why? Because the overhang will block not only the "view" of the items, but there also will not be enough room to reach in and lift items up & out of pull out shelves or drawers.

    Another consideration is the depth of the island...will you be able to reach at least half-way across it to wipe it down? It will be:

    .....1-1/2" counter overhang + 24" cabinet + 24" cabinet + 15" seating overhang = 64-1/2" deep island (5'4-1/2")

    Can you reach across 33" or so? As long as you can reach half-way across, you'll be able to wipe it down by wiping from both sides of the island.

    I'm not saying you can't have the seating, I just want you to be aware of the issues with deep cabinets under a seating overhang.


    HTH!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Buehl - thanks for the food for thought for sure, this is your expertise and i appreciate all suggetions and comments

    i put the DW at that end as i was planning to have the cupbords to the left of the fridge be the dishes cupboard as it would be easy to take out and set table, which the nook is just to the left of the cupbord and i could put dishes from DW into cupboard in close prozimety. i thought it far easier than hauling from the other end. maybe i need to make island narrower leving more room for doors to open on both DW and oven??

    cabinets, i understand the no drawers, i was not planning any drawers on that side just 1 door adjustable shelf cupboards but i could make then narrower. I also only wanted no more than 12 " for the seating overhang.. just very casual stool seating... this is not feasible?

    the massive expanse to wash was not something i thought of :-)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    12" isn't deep enough to comfortably sit at if you have counter-height seating. The NKB recommends:
    Table-height (30" high): 18" overhang
    Counter-height (36" high): 15" overhang
    Bar-height (42" high): 12" overhang


    Personally, even though I'm fairly tall (5'10"), I don't find bar-height seating all that comfortable. I prefer counter- or table-height seating. We have counter-height w/a 15" overhang. The 15" is fine for me but my DH wishes we had gone w/18" (he's 6'5")...but at least he can sit at it. Friends of ours have a 12" overhang and I cannot sit "normally" at it...I have to sit sideways and look to the side while visiting. My DH won't sit at it at all as he finds it just too uncomfortable for even a short time. If you don't mind "straddling" the island, it might work (straddling = spreading your legs out so they take less room front-to-back). I don't find that comfortable either.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Dishes: I think you'll have more convenient dish storage across from the DW next to the range. There's more room there. YMMV, but I find that when I set the table I like to "stage" everything on the peninsula b/f taking things into the DR. I get out the plates, bowls, glasses, flatware, serving bowls, utensils, etc. and stack them there. You could do the same by staging on the island and then taking things to the nook table.

    I do store my trivets, napkins, salt & pepper, etc. next to the DR... You could use the cabinets next to the refrigerator for those kinds of things as well as other serving items and, maybe, snack items.