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Design help - just starting out

11 years ago

Hi - We've been in our current house for two years and are preparing to redo the kitchen. It's a 1960s center hall colonial with the original kitchen. When we first bought the house I thought we would retain the basic layout of the kitchen, because I liked how you could access it from multiple rooms (the kitchen in our last house was very isolated). However, after having lived with it we now see what about it doesn't work:
- the kitchen is too narrow for an island, and the existing space at the end of the peninsula is too tight;
- there's never enough counter space, and I frequently have to use the cooktop as a work space;
- the half bath is located too close to the kitchen table for privacy -- you can see into it from the kitchen table;
- the flow is not good, and when we have even just a few guests over for dinner it feels cramped.

We also have two front doors -- the formal front door is not used much; instead, almost everyone comes to the front door located next to the driveway. This door opens directly into the family/play room and results in too much dirt and traffic through that area (and is especially a pain when bringing in groceries). Our dining room has turned into a cluttered drop zone -- we only use it for meals about once every two months, so I think we can live without it by swapping spaces or opening it up to the kitchen and making that the central eating area. We have full access to the basement, so plumbing and gas changes are not an issue. We are open to taking down walls and completely reconfiguring, if we can find a way to do it within a reasonable budget (still TBD) and it gets us to our goals. We're also planning to give up a few more feet of garage space to relocate the half bathroom to the laundry area.

Goals/Wish List:
- 36-inch stove, microwave
- Update entire look of the kitchen (yes, another white kitchen w/ Shaker cabs!)
- Improve traffic flow to allow for entertaining
- Additional countertop space and kitchen storage
- Island with seating, preferably for 4.
- Improve location of 1/2 bath off kitchen.
- Easy access to backyard/patio, as we eat out there a lot, and ability to see to the back yard from the kitchen when the children are out there playing.
- Nice to haves: desk/workspace in kitchen for laptop; coffee station/beverage area; area for cookbooks, addition of mudroom or other entry space for coats/shoes/backpacks.

About us:
We're a family of 4, with children ages 3 and 6. Single cook household with little helpers -- I cook every day and bake from time to time, and the kids are encouraged to assist as much as possible. We expect to be in this house for a good while, so it's important that the kitchen work for us as the kids grow and start to have friends over. Our entertaining style is informal buffet meals -- we like to have friends over, and the kitchen and back patio are usually the central hang-out zones in the warm months. On non-entertaining nights, we are strict about sitting at the kitchen table and eating together as a family.

I expect to meet with a KD soon and would like to start with some of my own ideas first. I'm including a pic of the current layout and following up w/ a separate posted pic of our current redesign idea, which involves swapping the kitchen, DR, and family room.

Concerns with this redesign:
- Walking directly into the kitchen. It will be great for unloading groceries, but when guests come to the door will that be weird?
- Whether the new den (former DR) will be enough space for the kids to have friends over to watch TV as they get older (although our basement is partially finished and might solve this problem).
- Whether there's enough room for proper flow from the primary front door (from the porch) through the kitchen to the dining area. Will the island seating be in the way? I'm not sure whether the space will accommodate a 36-inch wide island.
- Whether the kitchen prep area will work with the sink and range so far from each other. I prefer to have an island that's just countertop, with no prep sink.
- Best use of the space in the corner when you first walk in the door. I've marked it as a coat closet now, but am open to ideas, like building a small entryway that serves as a mudroom.

Any advice you have is appreciated!

Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    And here's a pic of the new layout idea.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I like your second layout, but you'll have to really come up with a big budget for your designer. Just the flooring changes alone will be a whack. We're planning our remodel, and I have pared down my wish list significantly. I originally wanted a small bumpout for a window nook, to move an interior wall three feet, and add a fireplace. I'm taking out all of these items, and still am struggling to get the price down under 90k.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Funny: I had a somewhat similar layout: narrow kitchen area attached to familyroom/garage/porch etc.
    In one of my many many iterations, I had a design similar to this, but I kept tweaking, and I'm very glad/happy with my final design.

    Maybe we should take this offline.
    Or follow my journey.

    My starting point: I have a similar layout, minus the front hallway.

    {{gwi:2144511}}

    After about 73 iterations (thank goodness for GW and their patience):
    1. I have a 12ft long dining room table, so the living room became the dining room (only room left that could fit something that long).

    2. I Love my keeping room, because everyone hangs out in the kitchen, so my dining room became the keeping room, right next to kitchen.

    3. I know you have to go through the familyroom to get to the deck, but we have kitchen windows going all the way down to the countertop, so we use the windows like a drive-through window. DH would put his hamburger/tongs stuff on the counter, go outside, open the window and reach for his stuff.
    or when he's done grilling, he puts the stuff on the countertop for me to serve.
    or kids ring the bell and I hand out water, wipes, ice cream.
    It's been working nicely for 2 years.

    kitchen:
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    familyroom/mudroom:
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    My lovely kitchen:
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    My point is: don't give up. You will find what fits your family/house.

    ask any questions.
    Amanda

    Found this layout: see, I told you one of the iterations had the dining table where the kitchen was:
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    Q?
    How do you get into the house via the garage?
    Is there a way through the 1/2 bath/laundry area?

    We have the same 2 front doors deal.
    The front formal door is used about 1-2x a year.
    We mainly use the door from the garage (where your laundry is) through the new much love mudroom.

    Friends and UPS guys use the porch door.

    This post was edited by huango on Fri, Feb 6, 15 at 9:52

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks, Myfoursons - I got our contractor to give me an estimate on this last year just as a baseline so we could start working on a budget and he initially quoted $30K. He's willing to let us do some of the work to help keep that number down - our last kitchen was a complete DIY job, but we just don't have it in us this time to do it ourselves.

    Huango, thanks for the encouragement. Your kitchen looks lovely -- I love all those windows!! There is access to the garage through the laundry room. I was hoping to make that the family's primary way of entry and putting a mudroom in there, but DH believes that will put wear and tear on the dated garage door opener.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Please don't let the price of a new garage door opener (~$150-$400) impact the potential of a great layout.
    You'll probably have to replace the opener down the road anyway.

    Not sure where you live, but my new mudroom addition added GREAT value to my New England home.
    We got 44" of snow last week, and about to get another 12".
    Mudroom is great for all boots, coats, gloves, etc.


    If I didn't have GW, I would have made a terrible decision, based on the minimal cost of something additional.

    We almost didn't go with my now beloved Miele 36" induction cooktop, because my previous pots/pans did not work with induction.
    I didn't budget in the cost of new pots/pans because I had tested my old pans and the magnet stuck.
    But when I placed my pan on the induction, it didn't work.
    So I went home w/out buying the cooktop!

    But GW help set me straight, and I learned about Trimontina clad cookware (love it).
    Yes, I spent more money than I planned, but in the end, I am THAT much happier for it.

    good luck,
    Amanda

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree that no decisions should be made based on a garage door opener.

    Would you please post a floor plan of the whole floor, including the living room and garage with the laundry room entrance from the garage. It really helps to see the whole picture.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm confused about the door issue. Is the door marked primary entrance actually a secondary entrance more for family and close friends, with most guests still using the front door? Even so, I wouldn't want people to walk straight into my kitchen.

    How about something like this? Note that I didn't really try to do anything with layout for the kitchen. I just did a copy/paste of what you drew out for placeholders. If you like the idea of using this paste, we could work on details further. It could be bigger, have an island or peninsula, or be a U-shape. Whatever works best to give you what you need and want.

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    One thing I really like about putting the kitchen here is that it would be easier to design it in a way where people can be close by to visit with the cook but they can be kept out of the work area. The space you chose would make the kitchen a thoroughfare.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    30K would be for labor only I'd imagine. Especially with moving everything in the kitchen and taking down walls. Material would be separate.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Some more alternatives.

    I'm not sure how long the left part of the drawing is. In your first drawing you have 12' for DR/Den, 24" cabs in eat-in area and 9' 9" for kitchen, but just 12' and 9'9" in the second. My layouts are roughly drawn, but assumed your first measurements are correct.

    I moved your primary entry door to the left where you have a window.

    1) This is similar to what you plan to have, but I flipped the counters and added a prep sink in the range counter.

    Changed the Den entries, walls, and moved the closet on the stair side so you have more room around the dining table.

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    Some GWers have shallow pantries using the space b/w the wall studs. Maybe you can consider something like that. Please, see the last 3 pictures of the first post in this thread.

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    2) Left DR in its current space, Den is where you now have the kitcehn+table, but about 1,5' narrower. Again suggest same type of shallow pantry.

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    3) Left kitchen in its current place, swapped DR and FR.

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