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How do you Know When a Cutting has Developed

I coordinated with an extremely helpful gardenweb member to obtain some cuttings, and I think some have taken root, but I am uncertain what the best course of action is from this junction. This is my first attempt and trying to propagate roses. Previous attempts with other plants last year failed due to rot I am guessing.

First what I did:

I got the cuttings from roughly the Uplands CA area back during the last week of January around the 26th. I am in Boise ID (6a-7 -ish). Our last official frost date is usually in May, but usually the weather is quite nice much earlier than that, and this year has been quite warm. Basically, I think we are pretty much past regular cold/frost weather, but ...... yea, as soon as you guarantee it we'll get a spring blizzard.

I used a couple slightly different methods on the nearly 120 cuttings of about 8 different roses. All but about 16 were set up using the "burrito" method, wrapped in barely moist newpaper/paper towel, and set in a cool area of my house near a dark window in the hopes of keeping it in the 60's. About half were just placed directly in the paper, and the other half scraped at the base and dipped in hormone. Overall I had a pretty decent rate of callousing (most had at least some, though not as pronounced as some of the pictures from Kim (rosecreek) after the 2 weeks.

The 16 were just placed directly in potting soil next to an east window. For reference, my African violets do great in the east window and bloom most of the year, but it was a bit too shady for my orchids/hibiscus, to give an idea of the conditions.

Most of these cuttings leafed out but subsequently wilted within about 10 days of the first visual growth and I assume are dead. The exceptions (2), leafed out a single cluster, but have essentially failed to visually change in over a month. I can't see any roots through the cup, but the leaves are still soft and the stem green. It doesn't look perky but not overly droopy either.

The rest, after the 2 weeks, were placed in either clear plastic cups with holes punctured into the bottom and placed in the east exposure window for morning sun, or directly outside in a flower bed. This is the middle/end of February.

The cuttings that calloused best were put into cups (about 4-5 of each rose). About 15 have put on new growth and have maintained that growth for about a month now. The rest are starting to take on the brown look, but yet some are still putting out things that look like leaf buds.

The set I put outside, of course had some freezing and snow within a week after I planted them. Surprisingly, some have leaf buds on the stems, but are much less progressed than my 2 (2yrs) older and more established roses, so visually are behind the pampered ones indoors and the 2yr old plants in the soil.

I have tried to not mess with the plants too much other than to water occasionally (once or twice a week depending on what the soil felt like) and to look for roots once in a while due to my inability to leave them totally alone.

So now for recommendations.

If I don't see any indication of leaf budding now, being about 2 months after they first arrived, even if the stem is still green, should I assume that it isn't going to do anything?

How long will the stems support vegetative growth without growing roots? For instance, of the cuttings I see growth on that hasn't wilted away, are they likely to actually have roots even though I can't see them yet?

How much longer would you keep the ones in cups indoors before either transplanting or repotting?

Comments (5)

  • 11 years ago

    Patience. If the stems are still green and not looking shriveled and dry then leave them alone. Sometimes a cutting will sit for weeks and look like it is doing nothing when all the while it's growing roots. When it feels it has a sufficient root system to support new top growth it will grow.

    If the stems are turning brown or black chances are they're going to die. I've never had one recover to grow once that has started. The ones that put out that early growth probably did so by using energy already stored in the canes. That doesn't mean they have rooted yet but it also doesn't mean they won't. Like I said, if the stems are plump and green there is still a chance that they will root.

    The outside ones are behind because of the colder temperatures which slow down their growth. But they will still root and grow and once the temps warm up they will catch up to their indoor siblings who will have to be slowly acclimated to the outside when the time comes. They have the advantage of getting better light than the ones inside anyway.

    it sounds like most of them are doing very well no matter what situation they're in so all you have to do is to keep doing what you're doing and leave them alone to do their thing...and be patient!

    Garden Time 6B Boise Idaho thanked seil zone 6b MI
  • 11 years ago

    What Seil said. And don't think about transplanting or potting up until a firm root ball develops. The whole point of using clear cups is that you will be able to see them grow pot bound. That will most likely take a couple of months.


  • 11 years ago

    Thanks for the encouragement and reassurance. Its easy to get caught up in the process when I am hoping that they'll get to the business of growing so I know how many I am keeping and how many I am sharing, and of which roses heh.

    Are you talking about any part of the cutting getting brown as usually not surviving? (Like the top tips of some are definitely on the way out though most of the length is still green on quite a few of them).

  • 11 years ago

    If it's just the tip leave it but keep an eye on it because often times that will begin to travel down the cane. Sometimes if the cane had a bloom at the tip a short section will die back where that bloom was cut off but the rest of the cane will be OK. If there is a brown stripe down one side of the cane it's over. It will eventually all turn black and dry up. If it's at the bottom where the soil line is it's already toast. It's probably rotted below the soil level.

  • 11 years ago

    Well I figure I should give an update, mostly because the in-the-moment decision making and the nature of learning what to expect and how to behave and everything else that comes with experience was a useful lesson for me that may benefit others.

    So a quick summation.

    I have had about a 10% success rate on my first flurry of cuttings using the burrito method. Considering all the places I did things "wrong" as I went along I actually consider it a success. I didn't properly go through my received cuttings to make cuts at budding points so I had tips far away from where the plant would naturally send them, occasional missed watering, over attentive watering, and such were all mistakes along the way.

    The decision to stick many of the calloused cuttings in the dirt with still a month or 2 of questionable weather wasn't so dreadful as I originally thought. More plants have started to stir and awake, granted some are just now putting out their first leaves, but point being, that when I stuck them outside it was more of a "may as well see, and pull out dead sticks when weeding later," instead of just tossing them out when I got tired of potting up my mess of cuttings. It did snow a couple times after I planted them outside, and we definitely had some freeze/thaw cycles. More than I was obviously hoping for when I planted them.

    I moved some of my leafed out cuttings to the garden. Where 2 promptly died, and 4 are still very slowly growing. The plants are still tiny. The couple I have in the house will be going outside soon. I found a slight spider-mite infestation on one of the few I have indoors so I figure it is time to let natures little bug eaters help me take care of the issue.

    I will say that a couple of the plants were much more likely to root than others. Heirloom and Mr. Lincoln putting out 3x more plants than the other successful varieties, and of course some I didn't get any to stick. However, those 2 were among the ones I wanted the most, and now that I have them, I have that intense satisfaction. I actually bought an heirloom from Walmart anyway because it was discounted to $6 and was a gallon plant in good condition, just with spent blooms.

    I doubt that I will get any flowers from these tiny little specimen this year. I suspect, that in future, I will opt to purchase my initial plants and then take cuttings from those for gifts, back ups and filling out beds. Thanks everyone so much for the help so far in my rose obsession.