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11 years ago
last modified: 11 years ago

I have re-posted/re-worded this question because I incorrectly phrased
the question.

As required for the stormwater management sytem my civil engineer conducted
a percolation test. He unfortunately decided to have the back hoe dig the test
hole in an area which was made up of land fill which should have been obvious
as it was a leveled out side of a hill. Unfortunately I didn't think to have
him test the front yard where the land is natural and am now shocked that he didn’t
do the test there.

Needless to say the perc test failed (he barely gave it any time) and immediately
called the city engineer to get permission to tie-in to the city drain. This
option will cost 3-5k more but has the nice bonus of saing him the trouble of doing
a full stormwater calculation/design.

I am not very happy and can’t see how a civil engineer could
be so clueless as to dig a test pit in an area made up of fill when an
undisturbed area was available. I hate
to think this but is it likely he did this on purpose to avoid doing the
stormwater design? I know they are flat out busy and wouldn’t be surprised.

I have since done the perc test myself in the front yard and got a very
satisfactory 8.5 min/inch though the hole was only 12” deep.

I had to pay the backhoe operator separately (500+ 100 in
permit fees) so if I bring him back to redo the test I’m sure he will not
volunteer to pay for the back hoe.

Any suggestions on how to proceed? I am going to call
tomorrow.

One idea I had was to
submit the proposed plot plan/drainage plan with the stormwater tie-in, get the permits and once I have a backhoe
onsite for construction I would have him him redo the test resubmit and amended
stormwater plan. I would of course get this in writing from the civil engineer.

Comments (6)

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks Brian, maybe I should have been more clear. This is for rainwater only, not septic. ( I will be tied into the city sewer system).

    I should also add that even if I tie my rainwater into the city's stormwater drain I will still need to install a stormwater system (just a little smaller) so I still have all the negatives and just added cost.

    I guess my real question is how in the world could this civil engineer do the test in an area obviously made up of land fill.


  • 11 years ago

    Only one way to find out, ask the engineer.....

    home_is_where_I_want_to_be thanked millworkman
  • 11 years ago

    I don't understand why only one hole was dug. Rain is going to fall on the entire property, so don't you need to worry about all the land? Perhaps he had the hole dug in the backyard because the whole yard needs to pass and he had a feeling that area would not. I guess what I am asking is how do you plan to manage the stormwater from the section of the yard that was filled?

    home_is_where_I_want_to_be thanked dekeoboe
  • 11 years ago

    My guess is that the engineer purposely dug in a location that they knew would fail the perc. test, so that the City would have no choice but to let you tie into the storm sewer. Tying into the storm sewer is the best long term option, even though the upfront cost is higher.

    It could also be that the required stormwater management system needs to be so large that it will not fit on the site and thus tying into the sewer allows the system to be much smaller (and much cheaper).

    In my opinion (as a civil engineer) you should ask these questions to your engineer, many times there are reasons decisions are made that the owner does not realize.

    home_is_where_I_want_to_be thanked indiana_th
  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Indiana_th, “My guess is that the engineer purposely dug in
    a location that they knew would fail the perc. ” That is what I suspected. What annoys me is that he should have asked me if tying into the city
    storm-water system is what I wanted to do.

    I agree that it could be cheaper to tie-in if the drainage system
    needs to be very big but he would have no way of knowing that without doing a
    proper perc test. Based on my perc test in the front yard (8.5
    min/inch) my drainage is actually very good and the stormwater system shouldn’t
    be very big. I really think he did it to save himself some work.

    Also he did the test pit in the back yard which is the
    farthest point possible from the city drain.
    If I tie into the city, the collection system would be best placed in
    the front yard anyway to avoid a long drainage line running from the backyard.
    To do this he will have to redo the test in the front yard anyway. I have
    plenty of room in the front yard or even side yard for the system.

    Millworkman, “Only one way to find out, ask the
    engineer.....” normally I would agree but this guy is so slick (based on other
    interactions) that he will most likely try to BS me into accepting whatever he
    did. I think in this case my best bet is to forearm with Houzz expertise before
    I make that call.

    Dekeobee, the stormwater to be managed is just the rain from
    impervious sections (the roof and the driveway). The backyard fill area just
    needs to drain itself which it is capable on most days but does puddle up in
    heavy storms. This will be handled with proper grading.

    As for doing multiple holes I think he was supposed to do several
    holes until he found a good spot and then do multiple test holes in the area of
    the proposed Stormtech system. His whole
    approach/method was so far from the proper EPA method of running a perc test.