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Maples from seed

11 years ago
last modified: 11 years ago

Hey GW/Houzzers (is that what we call ourselves?)

I’m posting this at two boards for help – Maples and Trees.

I’ve grown some trees from seed the last couple years – mostly oaks, with good success, and conifers, with varied success. Maples I have only dabbled in a bit.

This year, I’ve got some A. micranthum seedlings growing, plus some A. japonicum and A. sieboldanum. The micrathums had good germination % since I got really fresh seed (the wings were still “moist”). Even the “fresh” japonicum and sieboldanum from Sheffields only germinated at about 20% - likely due to the drying that occurs just in transit from the supplier, to Sheffield’s, to me.

In 2016, I want to dive deeper into maples. I’m looking for feedback, but also, anyone who has a seed-bearing tree that they may be able to part with seeds from this fall…I’ll pay for them or trade whatever I have at the time that I have a surplus of.

For the following species, I’m looking for feedback on technique, first-year growth expectations, seed viability, and if you have to play “tricks” like warm strat plus cold strat like with some species. I’ve grown 3 year old A. saccharum with simple stratification and gotten 90% germ, but yet even “fresh” japonicum was much less. I’ve read that for “dry” Asian maples, some need warm stratification, then cold stratification, even then a low percentage sprout. I’m willing to buy somewhat larger quantities to compensate for low germination percentages, within reason.

Acerbuergerianum

Acer truncatum

Acer grandidentatum (these appear to be no more difficult than A. saccharum, but correct me if I’m wrong)

Acer triflorum – Sheffields has three seedlots available. One from 2010 with supposed 53% viability, one from 2006, and one from 1992(!!!). They say you need 120d warm strat then 120d cold strat. If this would work, I’d be willing to use “brute force” and order a larger quantity, maybe an ounce or so of seed (would be approx 180 seeds) to see if I can get a few at least.

Acer leucoderme – have yet to find a source for this one, but the 4 above are stocked by Sheffield’s, and F.W. Schumacher has at least some of them (their website doesn’t specify what is actually in stock, I haven’t contacted them yet).

Thoughts?

Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago

    I guess one of my primary questions is this:

    For maples that have a deep dormancy once the seeds are “dried” – they usually recommend warm strat, then cold, and sometimes, even a second warm and cold season, then coming up the following spring.

    Is it the samara, or the actual seed coat on the seed itself inside the samara that is the culprit? If I ‘deshell’ the seeds and remove the samaras, does that help in any way with the process? I’ve done that with some dried A. palmatum seed and the samara does crack off like a nut shell.

  • 11 years ago

    Nobody?

  • 11 years ago

    Firstly let me say I don't know the answer to your question and would like nothing more than to be told I've got it all wrong by someone who knows and be educated.
    Anyway here's my own thoughts for what it's worth.
    I personally don't believe it's the covering of the seeds that prevent germination,that would seem bad engineering to me.I know we all soak the seeds to 'soften them' but I think really we're doing something else.I think the first trigger the seed needs is moisture,and we are making sure it gets that trigger....after all when a seed falls into a dry area it doesn't germinate,it would be foolish to.
    When a seed falls from a tree it expects moisture to say ok it's safe not to go dormant.If it's also getting colder,I believe the seed either uses this cold snap as a timer,or more likely the embryo carries on developing(I'm not sure if the embryo is fully developed when it falls)
    When you dry the seeds they will go into dormancy and await signals to say it's ok to wake up.I think expecting it to come out of dormancy straight into a cold snap and have it germinate all in one go is too quick.Maybe the seed needs confirmation of moisture first and will only finally develop the embryo during a cold spell.....hence the need for the warm strat.
    As to why some seeds need 2years I don't know.Wether they need more reassurance or the embryos develop slowly or something else.
    Hopefully this'll spurn an expert to chime in and say that's all rubbish and we'll all learn ha ha

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    So I did order a couple ounces of the 2010 A. triflorum seed and some fresher buergerianum. Of about 150 seeds, TWO of the triflorums have sprouted so far. I will give the rest more time as dormant maples can be wonky. Some may also sprout NEXT spring, so I won't throw them out.

    The buergerianum are still in stratification, but I think I see the hint of a root on one or two (about 30 seeds).

    Honestly I'll be happy getting one good specimen of each, but more would be nice.

  • 10 years ago

    As for A. grandidentatum, aka big tooth maple, aka canyon maple, fresh seed needs 60 to 90 days cold storage after it has absorbed moisture. All removing the seed coat would do is make it easier to absorb moisture, but at the same time you might make it rot I might nick it scratch it or scar it I wouldn't try and remove the coat the samara doesn't matter at all. It is part of the sugar maple complex but very different tree very slow in comparison and grows in hotter drier places. The first tree is my big tooth approximately 20 years old, probably 18 feet tall. next a Japanese maple I grew from seed 7 years old

  • 10 years ago

    Oh if you want seeds for Acer grandidentatum or leucoderme try and contact me late summer I'll get them for you.

  • 10 years ago

    I have also wondered if taking the shell off an Acer palmatum seed will speed up germination. That would be scarification I think.

    there is scant information about why 90-120 days if cold stratification us needed for certain seeds. What does the coldness do, chemically, that triggers that little root to start pushing through.

  • 10 years ago

    Also, houzis point on the embryo. I also wonder if the embryo still grows in some way when it fall (or is removed) from the tree. And actually needs to be separated from the tree for a time before it becomes viable.

    so far Acer palmatum seed I have picked straight from the tree in summer and put into cold stratification have not germinated.

  • 10 years ago

    My understanding is that there are germination inhibitors some kind if auxin or other plant hormone that starts to degrade once moist and cold for a period

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