Is the philo under the palm?

Haven't heard of phils getting scale,but palms do.

Search the palm leaves for scale after doing an image search on scale on palms,..then report your findings.

Me again...

though I've never had scale on a philo,I just looked it up and they get them too...

Checked them both and no signs of scale or other pests for that matter. The philodendron is above my Palm but some fronds come into contact with it.

It's been happening for 2 years though, usually I wake up and you can see the little droplets at the very tip of the leaves. Here's some pictures of the residue it leaves. Of course now though, I'll probably never see it happen again so I won't get a picture in the act :\

Thanks for the link! Never heard of that before. Sounds and looks right on to what I've been experiencing. I haven't noticed it in a while now but I do remember it occurring almosty daily a few months ago. Weird. Though, I guess it has occurred recently due to all the drops it's made.

Thanks!

Glad to be of help.

Even more glad that you don't have scale! LOL

Haha, me too! Had me a bit panicked there for a few minutes!

The moment I read the word "sticky",I flew into a panic.

The honeydew from scale is indeed sticky,and I never really thought of guttation as being particularly so,but I read a bit real quick and apparently it is. Many of my plants do it shortly after being watered. It's a way by which they shed extra water(and other stuff)when they have a bit more than they need.

I've always seen it as a sign of abundance. The plant has extra sugars and water so excrete them in the night when the air temperature is cooler (or warmer?) Than the roots. I thought it had to do with pressure pushing the water up and it not having enough plant to fuel.

So should I water less? Or does it not really matter?

I think it happens with plants that collect most of their CO2 during the nighttime. They fuse it to water or something (probably something else, like a certain type of protien or amino acid or whatever) to conserve energy during the day (when it's hotter and more grueling to do ANYthing, much less make food AND harvest the materials needed; it's already taking in sunshine and water during the day, what more do you want from them!?).

Then during the day all they have to do is use up their CO2 stores instead of taking up CO2 and using it at the same time.

Philos are a type of plant that does this as with many of the other touted "air cleaner" plants.

Edit: as for watering, the plant is saying it's happy the way things are, you can maybe check every time you water. But philos love water and if it's keeping the soil fresh and oxygenated, then the plant will flourish. It's when people leave them in soggy soil that you run into problems. I think it's just saying it has a lot of root mass and wants to grow more greenery.

Is it pot bound?

Mine do it all the time!

I just repotted it In early June, which was a struggle.

So it's a good thing? Good, don't want to have any problems with it!

It probably has lots of little root tips taking in water filling up the new soil. Awesome!

What kind of substrate do you use?

I actually don't remember.....it was some mixture of a whole bunch of things... Totally drawing a blank!

I don't think it's good or bad, it just is. In previous discussions about guttation, most people agreed that if one wakes up & sees guttation, that plant doesn't need a drink that day. Aroids in particular are known to guttate noticeably, but many other plants do it. These plants are usually poor candidates to put on top of fine wood furniture, or any other furniture that would be damaged by an occasional drip of water (that may or may not contain other substances.) Probably wouldn't want to hang one above a bed or couch either. :+)

It seems to be little understood, or understood only very compartmentally, as this very short Wiki article shows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttation

A humorous article about it:

http://plantsarethestrangestpeople.blogspot.com/2008/05/guttation.html

I also found one article/study published by a very controversial entity with an agenda to support that claimed there was neonicotinoids in the guttation of corn (edible corn, maize) plants, but unless I were to see this confirmed by another entity w/o a political agenda, it's not something I'd consider fact. (Not that I probably don't agree with most of the goals of said entity, but take issue with their methods and attitude.)

Interesting article from "orchid folks" that I skimmed, saying there are various salts/sugars in guttation, depending on the plant:

http://www.canadianorchidcongress.ca/Ingrid/guttation.html

There are other articles about guttation out there, but most seem to be in regard to crop plants. Whenever this subject comes up periodically, I look, but never find articles about tropical plant guttation beyond those that say they do it, sometimes a list of plants observed doing it, but nothing about the chemical analysis of the guttation of those kinds of plants. It's hard to extrapolate info about potato plants in a large-scale agricultural setting to Philodendrons in pots so far from their natural habitat.

LOL Purp,..that's the same link I posted further up. ;)

Seeing as the epipremnum is above the palm,I'm guessing it's "raining" on it and that's where the palm is getting it from. Never seen a palm guttate but that doesn't mean much seeing as the palms I have are still small things. Speaking OF,..I have new seedlings coming on as a replacement for the ones that the rabbits got. Those are either altogether gone or in such rough shape that I doubt they'll recover. Pretty sure the one you sent me is toast,Purp. Sorry to have to say that,but it seems certain. :(

Oh, I didn't hover over it to see the URL, silly me! Must really be worth sharing, LOL! RIP, little palm sprout, sorry to hear! Now that you say that, I realize I haven't noticed its' twin in a couple weeks. It's that time of year when it's too hot to just wander around looking for things to observe, even at 7 AM. I don't have rabbits (vigorously knocking wood!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!) but interesting (clinically, though frustrating) to hear they like to munch palm tree too, sheesh!

I've never seen parlor palm guttate, had for about 20 yrs. Never had a majesty.

76 degrees out right now and windy. Bet you're jealous! ;)

Yeah! It's not getting that cool at night. But it did rain a little while ago, bringing the temp down to 83!

Haha, Thanks purp for the links! That's funny.

Sorry about your palm asleep!

Nice philos!

Tiffany, please tell me where you got those little wire cage things. Did you make them yourself? I have wire, that's probably what I should do.

Do you have a problem with the wire rusting? I would be using galvanized wire?

Think they'd work for hoyas?

Tiffany, your philos are awesome! What kind is that with your brasil philo? Also, I hope my micans will get as big as yours! Mine is still in the cutting phase.

TYVM for the kind compliments! :)

The trellis thing used to be a shelf from a little wire cart that broke. I bent the shelves into kind of a tube shape. Also used the side panels as trellises for other plants. IDK how much a new cart like that costs, but if buying one to dismantle, it should yield 3 little trellises (the shelves) & the 2 side panels (and 4 plastic wheels.) Any kind of repurposed wire rack could be used similarly, but a lot of
them might not be bendable (like a grill grate or refrigerator shelf.) IDK if wire would be strong enough, but probably depends on the strength rating of the particular kind. Yes, it's starting to rust where the vinyl coating has come off. IDK if that's OK with the plant or not, time will tell I guess. Anyone happen to have any info about Philos being sensitive to rusting metal?

In the pot with 'Brazil' is Philodendron erubescens & a 'Pink Princess,' and Scindapsus. One of the 'Brazil' vines is reverting to a solid lime color. If I hadn't trimmed pieces off of the 'Micans' many times since I got it a few yrs ago, it would be so much bigger. But I like the little pot & trellis for it, so when it gets to have too much mass, I cut off some excess & put in other pots.

Here's some basket plant (Callisia fragrans) using one of the side panels as trellis.

I'm talking rabbit cage wire lol. If it can support a 15 pound doe AND all her buns, I think it can support a cute little plant (I know, they always grow up to be monsters). Lol

Edit: I really like it when I get a notification that someone has liked my post because then it forces me to reread what my idiot-phone tried to translate my thoughts into.

It gets me all wrong all the time.

Saw some serious guttation this morning on Monstera obliqua.

Is that trained to a tomato cage..?

Nice shot BTW!

I can't decide whether I've got adansonii and obliqua, or just three types of the same.

How do you know which you have, Tiffany?

Yes, Asleep! Good eye.

Purple heart (Tradescantia pallida) was also guttating this morning.

Laticauda, this might help:

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Monstera%20adansonii%20pc.html

You are weaving it in and out of the chain link fence,aren't you?

I know that when winter comes,you will turn it all into cuttings/compost,but wow...if only it could be protected with something...I can imagine a whole fence covered in it,couldn't you? =)

The only way I've found to tell the difference for sure is with their inflorencense and berries. Cos yours looks like what I thought were my adansonii, not like what I was sent as obliqua.

I have LOTS of pictures...I should make another post with more pictures of them all. But the alleged obliqua I have has been grown differently than my other two which are at different stages of maturity.

I guess i mean to ask is: what was it about yours that made you decide it's definitely obliqua?

Ohhhh, I showed pics of it on plant ID and was told that was the name. No objections have been raised to pics added to a plant database, after quite a long time. ID's can sometimes be incorrect, but upload a pic to the wrong entry & dispute usually comes quickly if incorrect.

Sounds like it is worthy of its' own discussion. The more the merrier! And more pairs of eyes would see it that way. By this point in this discussion, we're down to guttation-o-philes, I think.

One of my monsteras guttated on me this morning. The borg type. Because it's not the real Monstera deliciosa. And borg is easier to remember how to spell. Let's see if I can do it borgisiania?

Tiffany, where is thus mysterious plant ID location?

Methinks that Purp missed my last post. lol

Name that plant:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/namegal

There's a ton of forums here!

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums

They used to change color if visited, but not anymore since GW became Houzz. So I don't visit as many of them, and put bookmarks on the ones I do haunt regularly so I don't have to try to read through that incredibly long list of all same-color links every day, still with no indication of whether or not they have new activity since ones' last visit.

Asleep, saw it but forgot by the time I'd scrolled down. U know how forgetful old people can be. Oops!

Yes, I've manipulated some of the pieces through/up the fence. Yep, on panic night, I'll be cutting pieces off & sticking in pots to make more over winter. The roots will be OK outside (here) & grow back again next year.

I got a nice tradescantia and that thing rooted like gangbusters.