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Please help!! Need ideas to improve this kitchen design

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

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My husband and I are building our first house and are in the planning/ designing stage now. This is the first rough draft copy we received from the designer.
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We are discussing switching the location of the kitchen and living room to make the kitchen and dining room parallel. We also discussed getting rid of the breakfast area as the one we have now is very similar and never used. We absolutely want open concept. A bigger pantry and possibly a bigger island. I'm in need of any ideas/ feedback and suggestions.

Comments (22)

  • 9 years ago

    Hmm. My first thoughts are that if you put the kitchen where the living room is, the kitchen is the first thing you'll see when you walk in the front door rather the plan's fireplace as focal point. The kitchen will also be on the opposite side of the house from the garage. If you haven't already, I'd also run this by the "building a home" forum as they have great insight into new-builds and whole-house ideas.

  • 9 years ago
    Seeing the kitchen first as you walk in is definitely one of my concerns with the switch of the two rooms however, with the front patio being inset, the wall to the bedroom hopefully won't obstruct the view of the living area too much when walking in.
    I feel like with the plans as they are currently, walking through the living area with food to get to the dining room just won't be functional at all. I'm just so scared to make a decision that I will regret
  • 9 years ago

    I like the living room where it is. Makes cooking (and doing dishes) more social. I can't really tell where the pantry is on my phone but why not put a pantry at the end of the island wirh the door facing the kitchen, then the refrigerator, walking space, island, and then the oven(s) where the breakfast nook is now. You'd have to scooch the island toward the nook a few feet to make room for the new pantry but I think that would result in an even more open kitchen/living room area. Big screen TV in the living room and entertaining would be a blast!

  • 9 years ago

    I understand your concern, but when I look at it I see that you won't really walk through the living room to get from the kitchen to the dining room...

  • 9 years ago

    I'm down with benjesbride. It's not Downton Abbey where you have a huge walk/hike to get from kitchen to guest. Plus the dining room generally is a formal use room. I think I'd prefer to keep it separate from the goings on in the kitchen. Do you really want them watching you sweat while your hollandaise is barely clinging to life?

  • 9 years ago

    I think I'd figure out definitely if breakfast nook stays or goes. the 3 things-living dining and kitchen will get their rightful place , but without nook, I'd want a bigger island with good seating in a pivotal spot for this open plan you are embracing. One assumes the"post " needs to stay-is that right? so what happens with the wall without the nook-does the living room wall just extend as situated all the way to bedroom? will there be a French door or patio door and how many windows---will there be any wallspace besides the glass areas for tall pantry of pull out style? I think the kitchen located there will be good as the entry to porch thru a slider or whatever seems correct,along with a bigger island with seating in that area. But the back wall without nook will be important as far as how much wallspace vs. your desire for winows/entry door to porch,etc.

  • 9 years ago

    What if you just rotate it all so the kitchen is to the left of the entry, then dining behind it, and LR where the kitchen is now? And it's no further from the garage than putting it where the LR is now.

  • 9 years ago

    Would you consider moving the kitchen into the nook area so you could have nice light? What direction do those windows face? And where are your best views?

  • 9 years ago
    We have decided to do away with the breakfast area for sure so that area will basically be taken out completely. We are definitely extending the pack patio to be larger and we want large windows across the back wall of the living room. We have 3 children, ages 5,8 and 13 and we frequently have their friends sleep over. We also do host all family gatherings and holidays so the dining room will definitely be put to use. If we switch the kitchen to where the living room currently is, Would it look okay to do a L style kitchen with the cabinets extending around the back left hand wall? I realize switching the kitchen to where the living room is will make the kitchen more of a focal point when entering the house so I want to make it very nice.
  • 9 years ago

    Just a quick, rough layout of how I would use that nook instead of getting rid of it. Personally, I wouldn't move it to the left into the current living area both due to it being the focal point when you enter the house and due to the extra steps from the garage to unload groceries.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Would you consider moving bedroom 2 upstairs? You could put the kitchen where the bedroom 2 is now, and a den where the dining room is now, and the back of the house is all view. You could modify the right side a bit so the garage entry is closer to the kitchen.

    edited to change bedroom number

  • 9 years ago

    Sorry, but the kitchen---and the rest of the home as a whole--- would benefit from real design help. As in, start over with an architect first. And a KD second. Your builder does not have a good sense of flow or proportion or how the interior floor plan affects the exterior or......

  • 9 years ago
    The down stairs bedroom 2 will be my 5 year old sons room. We choose to keep it down stairs for a few reason, first of all, he still randomly wakes up in the middle of the night and comes to our room. I don't want him going down stairs. Also, family members seem to be with us frequently in emergent situations. My grandmother will stay a few days after surgeries or if she isn't feeling well. My father recently had to stay with us s few weeks after breaking an ankle, ect. Keeping the 2nd bedroom downstairs prevents us from having to give up our room.
    A few people have mentioned the distance between the garage and kitchen but that will not be an I convince to me. I do almost every grocery trip and I never park in the garage so will be going through the front entry to unload groceries
  • 9 years ago

    Jillius, you always notice the most obscure things....and I mean that in a good way. I would certainly be thinking about your observations.

    I'll add mine. I'm struck by how much square footage is wasted on that long hall from garage to living areas. Square footage that could go towards creating good storage. Have you posted your plan in the Build a Home forum? Would you like help tweaking things so you keep the second bedroom downstairs for those times you need it for recuperating family? Do you want the 5 year old to stay down there or eventually move upstairs? Can we help you beyond the kitchen?

    I suspect you're not getting a big response because people see too many issues of concern with your plan. I know a lot of folks here dislike kitchens in the front of the house but I think that's fine as long as two criteria are met: (1) that the kitchen is shielded from immediate view when guests enter and (2) moving dining/living to the back of the house makes sense due to orientation of the view and the family's lifestyle. Since you bring groceries in through the front door, that's a plus.

    Oh, next post, GW is being glitchy with posting photos.


  • 9 years ago


    I didn't put in cabinets in the kitchen. Just moved appliances where I would put them, roughly, could definitely use tweaking. Extended the wall down so the kitchen is hidden from foyer.

    I think I'd keep the "nook" and move my living room there. The nook would be make the space more interesting and fun to decorate than a straight wall, imho. Although you will still have the issue with sounds near the bedrooms, I don't think a few feet are going to make much difference. I would move the fireplace to the living room.

    Some more questions:

    Where is your coat closet for guests?

    Does the rest of our family usually enter through the front door also? If so, where is there spot for coats, school bags, boots/hats/gloves/scarves (if you live where there are harsh winters), sports gear?

    I really hope you'll accept input on your entire plan from folks here or at the Build a Home forum, or both.

  • 9 years ago

    Did I read somewhere else that your builder is also the designer? If so, I'm sure he's a nice person, but isn't he creating an expensive house to build with all of the bump outs and angles? Is that a bump out for a tub? It seems there are a lot of inefficiencies that will cost you to possibly profit your builder/designer.


  • 9 years ago

    Funky, I like your idea for the kitchen (I love my front-facing kitchen). The house is in Louisiana, so no snow boots, but maybe rain boots? (Lisa OP mentioned in the Bulding forum)

  • 9 years ago
    I have posted to the other forum as well. I just recently found these forums and am so happy I did, I love all the input. The builder will be putting some sort of sound barrier to the master.
    The upper two bedrooms will be for my daughters, ages 8 and 14. We requested a bathroom not be in the middle of the rooms upstairs and that a jack and Jill style bathroom not be put there just so that if one girl Wales up to use the bathroom, it won't wake the other. As some have mentioned, I do think with two girls, the bathroom needs to have a bigger vanity area for sure.
    It's hard to see from these plans but there is a dotage area between the stairwell and the garage downstairs. I will utilize this area as our "school station" where we keep the book bags, extra school supplies, a tack board for school calendars, ect. There will also be a walk in storage built into the side of the stairwell.
    We originally were going to add a fairly large bonus area to the upstairs but recently decided to do away with that. We felt like if we did that the kids would tend to try to be up there all the time and we would not see them much. All the kids currently have their own tvs in their rooms but of course, they aren't allowed to watch tv for extended periods of time. The back patio will also be large. We will mount a tv out there also and we will spend a lot if time out there. It will function as an additional living area with deep seating our door furniture.
    I'm thinking that in about 4 years once my 14 year old is moving away to college, the 5 year old may want to move upstairs by then. Of course the downstairs bedroom would then be her room for when she comes home on weekends and holidays.
    The kitchen was my first primary concern as the concept in these plans is what I want but with a larger pantry. Then, once we felt like we would like to switch the kitchen and living room that became our next big concern.
    We did meet with two architects and builders before deciding to use the one we did. We have seen and been in multiple houses he has designed and built and we fell in love with them.
    We live in Louisiana so we told the builder that we didn't want a coat closet because we actually do not use the one we have now for that purpose. Ours is being used to store crafts which we plan to store elsewhere.
    The attic will be a walk in attic that can be accessed from the garage and from the second story.
  • 9 years ago
    Our building cost will be $85 a square foot under beam, $106-107 per square foot living. This is with moderate finishes and generous allowances for flooring, lights, ect. This builder was highly recommended by family members and friends that are in the construction business.
  • 9 years ago
    This is somewhat of the look I would like to go for in the dining area.
  • 9 years ago

    Make sure the builder puts that sound barrier on the 4yo's bedroom, too.

    Did you like the kitchen in the front idea at all? Or is that a no-go?

    I've only been in your state once so I don't know the weather but I had the impression it rains a lot there. You don't need a place for guests to leave their raincoats? Umbrellas?

    Could you provide the link to your discussion in the Building a Home forum? It would be helpful to read what they're saying.