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Worm Bin Beginner Needs Help

11 years ago

After doin' some research on raisin' rabbits I decided to look into worms. I want them to turn rabbit waste (poo and left over hay/food) into fertilizer and to breed for bait. I've started with a small worm bin which I'm goin' to later, slowly, turn into a large worm bed.

It's my 4th day into this project and ever since the mornin' of the second day some of my red wigglers have been bunchin' up around the rim, just under the lid. I've read that worms will attempt to wonder about when placed in a new enviroment. On the third day there were only two or three, in the mornin', that were on the rim. I bought more red wigglers later that day and when I woke up this mornin' there were two small bundles of worms on the rim, one of which fell on the floor. Every few hours, give or take, I've been checkin' on the worms to see if they're still goin' on the rim. There were a few worms on the rim. I read somewhere that if I leave the bin under a light for a bit the worms will possibly stay off the rim. I ignored the bin for about 5hrs and just now when I checked there was a bundle of worms, half of them fell out of the bin. There were also afew other worms on the rim. What's goin' on? It this normal?

My worm bin is a 10 gallon Rubbermaid tub sittin' in another 10 gallon tub to catch leachate (just in case I over wet it). The tub holdin' the beddin' has holes, drilled by a 1/4" drill bit, to drain off the leachate. There are 10 holes, drilled by a 3/4" paddle bit, for air flow. These holes have window screen over them to prevent escape. The beddin' is shredded toilet paper tubes, shredded paper towel tubes, and shredded newspaper, the funny pages to be specific. I added a couple pinches of rolled oats with 0 added sugar and 0 salts. The dirt from the cup of worms is in there too. I put 3 tea bags in there today with the staple removed. The beddin' is damp, not too dry and not too wet. It has a lid. I keep it in a tiled closet that stays cooler than the rest of the house. It's not freezin' and it's not above 60°F in the bin.

Any help is appreciated and I always accept tips and information.

Thanks!

Comments (11)

  • 11 years ago

    It sounds like there's something going on that the worms don't like, and they're trying to escape - pretty desperately, if they're ignoring bright light. I'm a newbie myself, but I don't see anything that jumps out at me as being lethally bad for worms.

    Two possibilities come to my mind.

    There might be something foul on the tub. Has it ever held anything else but the worm bin? Has it been washed and rinsed thoroughly before being put to this use?

    Worms don't much care for vibration, it can disturb them and make them think a predator is coming. Is your worm bin near a washing machine or something like that which could be sending a tremor into the bin?

    the_tay thanked Jon Biddenback
  • 11 years ago

    I woke up today to the same issue. They don't ignore the bright light, they burrow and after a bit of time passes by I put the lid back on and they go back into the closet. Only about 15-20 worms out of 60, give or take, climb to the rim of the tub. They can't actually get out of the worm bin, or so I think.

    The tubs did not have anythin' in them previously and there aren't any objects nearby that could cause vibrations in the bin.

  • 11 years ago

    Try a thick layer of shredded paper or cardboard on top. And maybe a small amount of soft mushy fruit like from a juicer. Since it is this new it sounds to me like the tub wasn't prepared in advance to be like a compost pile - in short it doesn't feel or smell or taste like home yet. Google 'red worms living material ' to see one guy's approach.

    the_tay thanked armoured
  • 11 years ago

    More than once I've heard that worms thrive in conditions of "benevolent neglect" (sometimes without the benevolence, sometimes just straight up forgetting the bin for weeks). It's only natural to want to check on them, whether they're your babies, your friends, or just your investment. But consider the conditions they usually live in: left alone to pig out in peace under soggy leaf litter or a pile of horse manure.

    Maybe try to scale back your checking on them to once or twice a day until you're sure there isn't an immediate major problem with the bin, and then reduce it to a few times a week. Know about it and rescue them if they need help, sure, but if not, don't worry so much. They got along just fine without us, and they'll likely fare best that way in the future.

    the_tay thanked Jon Biddenback
  • 11 years ago

    From the sounds of it, they dont have a very hospitable environment. They need some soft material like peat moss or something of that texture. Cover that with your cardboard strips & paper shreads. Over time, the paper materials will break down to be comfortable sleeping quaters.

    When you feed, put their groceries under the paper materials. With only 60 or so wigglers, you wont need to feed very much or often.

    Itll take them a while to eat and populate their new large homestead. You can put a light over the bed to keep them down, but they are explorers, merely investigating their environment.

    worm bodies are highly comprised of water so they need moist conditions but not wet. If its too wet or too dry they will evacuate. Actually thats the first thing to make sure of, the moisture content. I think thats the #1 cause of escape.

    the_tay thanked ryan8king_sc_lowcountry_z8
  • 11 years ago

    Thank you everyone who's commented so far. I'd like to mention that I'm not checkin' on them. I opened the lid just to look for any surface activity when I first noticed the worms tryin' to escape. I also checked the first and second day afew times just to be sure it wasn't gettin' too dry for my red wigglers. When I read about it I started to check just the rim of the bin for worms tryin' to escape and put them back in. I only bother the worms in the beddin' when I uncover areas to put stuff in there to compost.

    I did more than a fair bit of readin' before I started this venture, even watched videos, so the enviroment is perfect for them. It's not the beddin'.

    I decided to just ignore it yesterday. In fact, I ignored it all the way up 'til just afew minutes ago when I was sweepin'. I found three dried up worms that had escaped. I checked the bin and there were only four visible worms. One on the top of the beddin' doin' it's thing and three on the rim, one of which fell off. They weren't even near eachother. I now know that the worms can indeed escape. I haven't found any more dry corpses yet so that's a plus. I'm goin' to add some dry newspaper shreds as a cover later, just need to go out and get one.

    Any other information or tips regardin' raisin' red wigglers is always welcome!

  • 11 years ago

    Remember that you are the local apex superpredator, and that your footfalls are much heavier than those of a burrowing vole, or a robin landing to check out a leaf pile. They can hear you. And I've discovered that if things are quiet enough and you pay close attention, you can hear them. It's weird and kind of neat to sit in stillness and listen to the slithering. I've been seriously considering changing my couple times a week checkups to ears only, just to minimize touching the bin and disturbing the worms. Not sure how practical that would be, yet.

    the_tay thanked Jon Biddenback
  • 11 years ago

    I wouldn't stress about looking in or walking near it. Personally I think the positive benefit of benign neglect is not over feeding them. But just an opinion.

    in your case I think it's that the bin wasn't prepared in advance. in a different thread about a margarine tub joe above prepared his bin a week before - worth taking a look. The 'living material' approach basically.

    the_tay thanked armoured
  • 11 years ago

    I know what you mean by hearin' them, Jon. It's pretty cool!

    I don't think that the reason of the attempted escapes are entirely based on not preparin' the bin in advance to addin' the worms. I think it's a 50/50 of poor prep and new enviroment, maybe could have somethin' to do with not havin' a dry beddin' cover to help deter them away from exploration.

    Good news! No more attempted escapes! I went to add a dry shredded newspaper/cardboard mix to the top of the beddin' this mornin' and there wasn't one worm in sight! I could hear them wigglin' away though!

    Thanks for all of y'all who have commented so far!

    Again, any tips or information on raisin' red wigglers is always welcome!

    Thanks,

    The_Tay

  • 11 years ago

    It sounds like the worms and their conditions are starting to adapt to each other, and finding a workable balance point. Give it time, and see what happens.

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