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Building doesn't seem smart but no other option?

10 years ago

I have found a small lake I like a lot.
Its private with an inlet and outlet river and maybe even some spring
fed action. Things that are important to me and in short supply.
Honestly I don't feel like I can afford lake property but I'm struggling
with trying to make it work.

I wrote a letter to every person who lived on the lake (small lake). I
don't know if my letters made it to everyone, property records can be a
little tricky.

I got a response from one who said they won't be selling. Which was very nice I thought.

I got a response from one couple who's large house and property is waaaay out of my price range
Like 500,000 more than I can afford. But they were very nice. They
own some 2 or 3 vacant lots as well and want to downsize and build
something smaller on one.
They might consider selling one of the vacant lots for 175,000, 180,000.
I think its about 2 acres. Good waterfront but facing on a cove vs the
lake? Not sure. Love the idea of a bigger lot. Further from the main
road which I assume means propane which is expensive.

I got another call from an 89 year old who thinks its time to sell. He
hasn't been up there in 10 years. The lot is a triangular lot on the
extreme far corner of the lake and will be hard to access in winter I
think. It sounds like an old original cabin that has been updated
sparingly, probably not winterized and in poor shape. He was hard to
understand. I would probably have to start from scratch and it has just
a tiny sliver of waterfront. There may be water table issues. But it
might be cheap. I will see it in Sept and talk to him then but it
doesn't sound promising. (I hope he lasts that long and longer, he
seemed super nice but at 89 nothing is certain)

There is a vacant lot for sale on zillow at 125,000 that is .8 of an
acre with standard waterfront. Its closer to the main road which is
great, but their are neighbors behind which I don't like. They bought in
2004 for 135,000 according to zillow.

So here is my dilemma. To build is about 150 a sq ft.
Modular's aren't much cheaper. I called and got the same price but a
garage with it. So a garage is about 20 to 30,000? I do want a garage.
This is in northern Michigan.

So for a 1000 sq foot rectangular cheapie with builder standard stuff would be 150,000. Plus 125,000 for the lot is 275,000 for a tiny cheap house.
That's above my preferred budget but more importantly seems
just.....stupid. If it didn't feel stupid I could maybe make it work.
(and I don't think building is fun, I did it once and found it
stressful). The two behind houses are bigger nice houses too. But
that's not the point. 1000 sq ft suits me fine. But it just seems
risky financially. How would I ever sell it if I needed to?

In 2013 the neighboring house to this lot sold for 256,500. Its a
really nice 2 story 3 bed, 3 bath, 2300 sq ft. Zestimate is 371,000 for
whatever that is worth.
IDK, I guess they got the sale of the century! I think a realtor told
me it was short sale, not sure about that but the ad that you can still
see on zillow said Reduced for Quick Sale.

At the other end of the street a house just went pending. Narrow lot
with mostly spongy ground in front, nice house but had been screwed up
some by the current owners (children of parents who moved south).
Pending at 199,000 with a price cut of 11,000. Sold in 2007 for
275,000. I didn't consider this mostly for the narrow lot and spongy
ground since I'll be living there full time.

So I don't know what to do here. I retire in a year. This area is 9
hours away. I'm going up the weekend after labor day and will talk to a
realtor.

Thoughts? Questions to ask the realtor?

On the one hand lake property is always on everyone's mind in this area.
But even for lake property I can see you have to be careful based on
the last sale of the one in 2013 and the pending.

Properties like this in areas like this don't follow all those rules of
thumbs for subdivisions in cities. It seems very all over the place and
hard to pin down. Risky?

Comments (11)

  • 10 years ago

    Why do you want lake front property? If you are retiring in a year I assume you will be approx. 62-65 age Have you dealt with building/permits/ contractors etc? Are you by yourself? Is this in the UP or upper MI. I am familiar with MI as I have relatives there. How close will you be to medical/shopping etc. Are there any smaller towns you could live and still enjoy lakeside living. Are you south of that area? You need to list pros/cons and talk to a relator in that area, and remember that area I quite cold in the winter.

  • 10 years ago

    And before you consider a lot, talk to a builder. If it's that remote, it will be more expensive to build. Modulars are a good choice though - I have friends with one that they were able to customize a bit and it's really nice and being in the mountains where they are, it was far less expensive and more reliable than the local builders.

  • 10 years ago
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    To answer this one question - "Thoughts? Questions to ask the realtor?" I think you and the realtor should find out all about the rules regarding building on that small lake. The city/county/state/ blah blah blah probably have property rules and setbacks and so on that may not have existed with the existing homes. You will want to know them before you decide to purchase property and build on the small lake.

  • 10 years ago

    Some of these questions are already sorted and are not my question. My problem is this issue of ending up with a small house big price. I wonder if there is some sq footage break point or something.

  • 10 years ago

    The square foot break point is the current average of the cost per square foot of recently sold houses. Maybe this isn't the right investment location at the moment for you. Things change, houses become available. Try to stop yourself from rushing into anything. Real estate agents will press you towards buying - that's their business.

  • 10 years ago

    It's always more expensive to build than buy. If you can't afford to buy an existing small home on the lake,then you're not going to be able to build there either. 8 hours away from your current friends and family doesn't sound like the smartest retirement location either. I think you've got a lot more thinking to do to get some sort of old pipe dream out of your head.

    The new reality of being retired isn't going to be a full time vacation. You'll need those friends and family and medical facilities 8 hours away. So, if you want lakeside, looking closer to home would be in your best interests long term.

  • 10 years ago
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    Whether it is risky has nothing to do with rules of thumb. It has to do with your personal finances, which only you know. Also with how much cost overruns there are. Property values and whether you can recoup the cost only come into play if you plan on selling or refinancing. Mortgage rates are pretty low right now, so you are unlikely to be able to refinance into a lower rate regardless of property value.

  • 10 years ago

    While my DH and I would never consider a home that remote for our retirement, we aren't you.

    We happily 'overpaid' for the location we wanted. A spec builder could have put up a 5-6,000 sq ft two-story house on the acre we bought for our 2900 sq ft single story home. We did hedge a bit by building with a full-height attic that can be finished to create that larger house.

  • 10 years ago

    Before building anywhere, one has to look at the recently solds of the homes that your new home will be comparable to. Determine what your new home would sell for once completed. (Usually just adding up the value of the land, plus the costs of the new build will not get you the fair market value of the new home and lot)

    Sometimes, a vacant lot just is not economically viable to build upon. However, usually lake front lots are.

    Note to the OP... I work with lake homes quite a bit. You really need to get a RE agent to determine the FMV of your lot and of the lot and house, when finished. Lake front lots can vary in value wildly from the neighbor's lot... water quality, size of cove, visibility of the main channel, sunset/sunrise views, shallow areas, sandy beach, rip/rap, wake zones, endangered aquatic plants, Army Corps of Engineer regs...

    I would advise you to do these two steps first, to be sure the lots are priced at economically feasible values.

  • 10 years ago

    I think Sophie summed it up well: If you can't afford to buy a house on this lake, you also can't afford to build.

    You mentioned modular -- they aren't allowed everywhere. Definitely verify before you spend any money.

    I will also agree with other posters who say, Be sure to plan for services. I was briefly tempted by a certain lake-front neighborhood that looked wonderful for us, but it just wasn't the right location. I wish we could move that neighborhood elsewhere ... closer to town, not across the bridge from civilization.